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re: Spinoff----NCAAFB Playoff fails to achieve goals would this be better?

Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:10 pm to
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25343 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:10 pm to
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The four teams in the playoff all had either better records or tougher schedules than TCU.



Where have I once ever disagreed with that?


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Get over it.


So sad some here have never learned how to read.


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TCU was not one of the top four last year.


Nope, they were not one of the top 4 based on games played prior to the playoff selection.

But based on the AP, Football Outsiders, Massey Composite, and Coaches poll, they were the well within the top 4 at the end of the season.

TCU 2014 was a great team. That is indisputable.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25343 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:11 pm to
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DisplacedBuckeye
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The playoff worked in its first year




no surprise there
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60691 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:18 pm to
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Bleeding purple
TCU Fan


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The playoff system is flawed.


no surprise here either.
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14607 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:19 pm to
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The playoff worked in its first year. Let's wait until it doesn't to start complaining.


No it didn't

If you lose at home to a bad unranked team, your loss counts as 1.1

Thus you are the worst of the 1 loss teams.

You should be penalized for losing at home, and especially to a bad, unranked team.

But they will only punish teams who arent football factories for losses like that. tOSU,USC,Bama, etc can all survive losing a game like this. And tOSU did


I said the same thing when LSU lost to Arkansas at home and got pushed up to play in BCS bowl. Losing at home to unranked teams should penalize a team.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:21 pm to
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Bleeding purple


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The playoff system is flawed.


Strange how that works.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60691 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:22 pm to
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If you lose at home to a bad unranked team, your loss counts as 1.1

Thus you are the worst of the 1 loss teams.

You should be penalized for losing at home, and especially to a bad, unranked team.

But they will only punish teams who arent football factories for losses like that. tOSU,USC,Bama, etc can all survive losing a game like this. And tOSU did


I said the same thing when LSU lost to Arkansas at home and got pushed up to play in BCS bowl. Losing at home to unranked teams should penalize a team.


what a stupid criteria. and BTW in both examples it did "penalize" the teams. LSU fell to #7 and got bailed out by winning the SEC CG and by other teams losing, including WVU who lost at home to wait for it....an unranked team.

Ohio State got bailed out by playing better as the year went on and the BigXII teams losing. The ENTIRE season should be factored in, not just one game.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:23 pm to
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No it didn't


Of course it did. I'd love to hear your argument for who was better than Ohio State last year.

FSU might be a better argument though, just to help you out.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
23349 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:24 pm to
My solution from another thread:

I personally think the committee should be scrapped. Then you take the top 6 conference champions based off some type of computer ranking. Then seed them with the computers. This way there is no subjective BS leaving a Power 5 school out. It gives access to a mid major champion every season. Conferences are in charge of submitting their champion to be run in the computer seeding process. Obviously, tell independents if they want to participate they must join a conference for football.

Then do

Round 1

#6 @ #3 (#3 Home Stadium)

#5 @ #4 (#4 Home Stadium)

#1 and #2 Bye

Round 2

The Lowest Seed From Round 1 @ #1 (#1 Home Stadium)

The other Round 1 Winner @ #2 (#2 Home Stadium)

Round 3

NCG at Neutral Site

The benefits of being in the top 2 gives you a bye week in the playoffs. The benefits of being top 4 gives you a home playoff game. So there is a reason to play a tougher OOC schedule.

No they should not include subjective eye test shite to allow for teams that fail to win their conference to get a second chance.

This would bring fairness. Everyone basically has access at the beginning of the season. It would add a cool mix of seeing the conference champions play a tournament. Maybe recognize the conference with carrying the national championship back to their conference.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 3:29 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60691 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:30 pm to
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I personally think the committee should be scrapped. Then you take the top 6 conference champions based off some type of computer ranking.


the committee is fine. I would rather just take the top 4 conference winners. A computer formula written by humans will not differ substantially from what the committee does.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 3:31 pm
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
23349 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:35 pm to
A committee is easily capable of changing the rules mid game. A computer formula will be locked in for the season and should be transparent.

In my suggestion it would really just be used for seeding and selecting the mid major champion.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 3:36 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60691 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:51 pm to
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A committee is easily capable of changing the rules mid game. A computer formula will be locked in for the season and should be transparent.

In my suggestion it would really just be used for seeding and selecting the mid major champion.


sometimes flexibility is good, also I'd argue the 2 biggest controversies of the BCS involved the computers, 2000 when FSU went over Miami even though both had 1 loss and Miami beat FSU and 2003 USC getting left out and OU being #1. I get the allure of having some formula that gives it an air of "objective" science, but i don't think you will find it differs much and when it does, most people will prefer the human ranking. The later BCS formula with 2 polls and avg of computers was ok, i'd be fine with that and just take the top 4 conference winners. i went thru the 16 years of the BCS and a mid major made it 4-5 times at least.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35371 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:51 pm to
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But based on the AP, Football Outsiders, Massey Composite, and Coaches poll, they were the well within the top 4 at the e
Well that's decieving because 3 of the 4 playoff teams will lose a game so if a borderline playoff team wins a bowl game against a decent opponent (i.e., top 15), they are likely to jump at least 1 of those playoff teams.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25343 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:54 pm to
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Strange how that works.


touche' but I was saying this long before the season even started last year.

5 major conferences and 4 teams. The math just does not make sense.


Posted by TheBuescherMan
Abu Dhabi
Member since May 2013
1231 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:54 pm to
If we still had the BCS system in place, we would have gotten Alabama vs FSU in all likelihood. The playoffs proved otherwise.

It makes me wonder how many other years the playoffs would have changed things. Have to figure USC would have won at least one other title.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
23349 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:59 pm to
Yeah then you have the controversy of 2011 where OSU is knocked down for a rematch game.

The computers would be selecting the top 6 conference champions. If you get left out at that point there isn't much room to bitch. The seeding would be important, but atleast it would be objective.

The poll system is flawed due to the polls throughout the season.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
27825 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 4:01 pm to
I find it hilarious you make up silly names for other teams and you are a freaking SMU fan.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60691 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 4:05 pm to
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Yeah then you have the controversy of 2011 where OSU is knocked down for a rematch game.


the computers were split on that as well iirc, but I'm with you that a team that did not win it's own division, no matter how much they pass the eyeball test shouldn't be in.

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The poll system is flawed due to the polls throughout the season.


the committee is not the polls and differed from them quite a bit on a weekly basis. But by the end of the season the polls also do not differ greatly from the computers either, especially at the top.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 4:16 pm
Posted by DrEdgeLSU
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
8623 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 4:08 pm to
Only major issue I have is that the #4 and #5 teams have more time to prepare for each other since they already know who their opponent is.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 4:10 pm to
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Have to figure USC would have vacated at least one other title.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25343 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 4:10 pm to
Good point. I had not considered that.
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