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re: Selig won't reverse call
Posted on 6/3/10 at 3:12 pm to barry
Posted on 6/3/10 at 3:12 pm to barry
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How is removing a hit from the last play of a game that didn't effect the outcome, a can of worms?
Because you are still overturning an ump's call after the game.
How about this scenario: Team A is up 12-0 in the 9th with Team B up to bat. Team A's starter is still in with 20 Ks in the game and there is 2 outs. On a 3-2 count he appears to paint the outside corner but it is called a ball. Upon further review you can see on the overhead cam the ball catch the outside corner. He gets the next batter out to end the game.
Do you cry for the commissioner to overturn the call after this as well?
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Posted on 6/3/10 at 3:14 pm to Baloo
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My point from last night. It says expressly in the rules that a judgment call cannot be overturned. Don't undercut the umps.
Safe/out is not a judgment call. The ball is in possession of a player on the base before the runner touches: Out. No judgment call to be made.
Judgment call would be not allowing a player to advance to first on a HBP because you believe they didn't try to get out of the way. When there's a clearly defined rule, as in this case, it's not a judgment call. Just because he fricked up doesn't make it one.
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How about this scenario:
Strikes/balls WAY different than a runner clearly out at first.
Also, the big issue here is history and the perfect game. If he had already given up 3 hits earlier in the game, this one wouldn't mean shite. Hell, if he had given up a walk, it would still mean a lot less, even though a no-no is pretty damn good. This is perfection he was robbed out of.
This post was edited on 6/3/10 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 6/3/10 at 3:14 pm to etm512
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Upon further review you can see on the overhead cam the ball catch the outside corner. He gets the next batter out to end the game.
Calling the out at first is hardly as subjective as calling balls and strikes.
Posted on 6/3/10 at 3:20 pm to Eternalmajin
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Safe/out is not a judgment call.
Actually it is. It is up to the ump's judgement to see what got the base first.
Posted on 6/3/10 at 3:23 pm to ChicagoTiger
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shitty reading comprehension skillz on this board.
if you had read the original article, you would have read what we did.
the article has now been updated and lengthened, but the basic idea of the article implies that Selig is adamant about NOT changing a call.
you stupid frick
This post was edited on 6/3/10 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 6/3/10 at 3:50 pm to DestrehanTiger
Selig is such a pussy and making baseball the same
Posted on 6/3/10 at 4:02 pm to etm512
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Actually it is. It is up to the ump's judgement to see what got the base first.
+1
Posted on 6/3/10 at 4:04 pm to barry
quote:We don't need Selig to do this. I consider it a perfect game. He's the new Harvey Haddix.
You can acknowledge a perfect game without changing the box score.
Posted on 6/3/10 at 4:07 pm to etm512
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Actually it is. It is up to the ump's judgement to see what got the base first.
Safe/out is not a judgment call. Again, the ump fricking that up because in his judgment the wrong thing happened does not make it a judgment call, it makes it an error on the ump. It's a clearly defined rule that any video evidence can confirm what the correct call should have been.
A judgment call does not have the luxury, as it's up the discretion of the official to decide if the rule was broken or not. See my example about a batter not making an attempt to get out of the way of the ball. That's a judgment call. There's no clearly defined "must move x inches and turn y degrees or you don't get first base" rule. The ump defines it themselves and it will vary.
Ball beating runner at first is an out every time for every ump, barring frickup.
Posted on 6/3/10 at 4:14 pm to Eternalmajin
quote:Know who disagrees with you? The MLB Rulebook. It EXPRESSLY states out/safe calls are judgment calls.
Safe/out is not a judgment call
Posted on 6/3/10 at 4:20 pm to Baloo
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Know who disagrees with you? The MLB Rulebook. It EXPRESSLY states out/safe calls are judgment calls.
Well what the frick does it know?
Posted on 6/3/10 at 6:38 pm to Baloo
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My point from last night. It says expressly in the rules that a judgment call cannot be overturned.
Wouldn't the "in the best interest of the game" clause trump any rule you may have cited? Selig being such a pussy and scared of setting a precedent and having to deal with this again is not a good enough reason to me. The only precedent I see it really setting is that the commissioner can overturn an obvious blown call that would have been the final out of a perfect game. And if that situation arises again, change the motherfricker again. Where is the slippery slope? frick, he's such a head-in-the-sand-and-wish-it-all-away, reactionary count.
Posted on 6/3/10 at 9:42 pm to Hot Carl
I don't like Detroit, but this is the biggest crock of shite I've ever seen. Bigger than the PP non interception call. Selig needs to be fired! People can forgive the blown call, and the Umpire for owning up to the mistake. But for Selig to be such a bull headed fricker that he wants everyone in the world to know it's his decision and he is gonna do it no matter what anyone thinks, even the fans who pay his salary. Sounds kinda familiar, Health Care? frick baseball.
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