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Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:59 pm to dukke v
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Coming from A 25 something year old...................
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Magic is nowhere near #2
He wasn't even the best player of the 1980s bro, that was Larry and then Kareem and then it's either Isiah or Magic though Magic would likely be the more logical choice since he won MVPs that decade and Isiah didn't, IDK it is what it is
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:04 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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He wasn't even the best player of the 1980s bro, that was Larry
Are you serious???
OH that's right.. You were not even alive when BOTH Magic and Larry came into the league......
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and then Kareem
Kareem won A title in 1973 as A BUCK/... His game only got better bECAUSE of Magic in the 80's......
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:05 pm to dukke v
Magic ever win titles with other teams?
Nope?
Kareem > Magic
Nope?
Kareem > Magic
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:06 pm to RLDSC FAN
I’m not one to deny LeBrons greatness.
But if I need one player to win one game, LeBron is not the one I would pick.
But if I need one player to win one game, LeBron is not the one I would pick.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:07 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:11 pm to dukke v
Magic was basically 18ppg 11assists 30% 3pt That’s cute but Ricky Rubio with Worthy and Kareem would get GOAT status too?
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:32 pm to dukke v
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Kareem won A title in 1973 as A BUCK/... His game only got better bECAUSE of Magic in the 80's......
Kareem was MVP of the league TWICE with the Lakers before Magic arrived
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:33 pm to gobuxgo5
Exactly.
Knowing what we know about the 2 players, Lebron would be a 38 point 11 assist 40% shooting from 3 60% from the field type guy in Magic's shoes.
Knowing what we know about the 2 players, Lebron would be a 38 point 11 assist 40% shooting from 3 60% from the field type guy in Magic's shoes.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:42 pm to ReauxlTide222
Just stop...Magic is one of the greatest players of all time. 2? Maybe not...but to put him in the same conversation with Rubio is ridiculous. No, Rubio would not have put up numbers like Magic. Magic made people around him better.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:43 pm to dukke v
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His game only got better bECAUSE of Magic in the 80's......
Fact of the matter is Kareem was already an arguable GOAT by the time Magic arrived at 32, did Magic's presence sustain Kareem's excellence into the 80s? Maybe it did, but Kareem remained the go-to clutch player and carried the scoring burden for that team for much of that decade until his age finally exposed him against Hakeem in 1986 and Pat Riley transferred the keys of the team basically to Magic and what resulted was his 1987 MVP season. That's just facts bro, it's like when Jerry Rice entered the NFL and whatever happened subsequently happened. Gotta give Kareem credit for doing what he did at such a high level until age 40 regardless playing at that level as you age is tough AF.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:46 pm to ThePTExperience1969
But you’re also diminishing how great Magic was. It was lightning in a bottle. Kareem was great but so was Magic...they’re both legends.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:54 pm to lsuguy84
The thing is we don't know what would've happened had Magic not played for the Lakers, the year preceding his draft Kareem averaged 24-13 on 58% shooting and that team was a playoff team maybe he still does that without him for a few more years but that's hypothetical and the synergy of those guys was pretty amazing no doubt
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:01 pm to ThePTExperience1969
I can meet you in the middle like that...I think Johnson and Worthy definitely helped Kareem to the finish line. I think the ways both the Celtics and Lakers were constructed at the time helped usher in another page of a great rivalry. It was great basketball. But Johnson was definitely a formidable force and pinnacle of that team. Without him I don’t think Kareem is competing for titles. In the playoffs? Yes. Titles? No.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:04 pm to lsuguy84
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I can meet you in the middle like that...I think Johnson and Worthy definitely helped Kareem to the finish line. I think the ways both the Celtics and Lakers were constructed at the time helped usher in another page of a great rivalry. It was great basketball. But Johnson was definitely a formidable force and pinnacle of that team. Without him I don’t think Kareem is competing for titles. In the playoffs? Yes. Titles? No.
I think it's ridiculous to argue over who made who with this situation, Kareem was already a legend and Magic was already a stud when he entered the league so them converging is analogous to peanut butter and chocolate or red wine and a filet mignon, unbeatable.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:08 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Yeah I’m not arguing...more saying Batman needs a Robin. Kareem was carrying the team for sure. A legend and solidified...Robin came in and helped shoulder the burden. Who made who? No, Kareem was a bonafide star. But Jordan needed Pippen as well...LeBron needed Wade...it’s just the way of things. Each of the aforementioned players being great in their own regard and meshing well to be a force.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:12 pm to lsuguy84
Of course the difference being Kareem had a title to his credit...and Magic helping him win 5 more
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:18 pm to lsuguy84
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Kareem was carrying the team for sure. A legend and solidified...Robin came in and helped shoulder the burden.
I think when taking that into consideration, that's the dispositive factor for me ranking Kareem as the 2nd best player of that decade over Magic: Magic started out as the distributor, Kareem was the scorer and player that saved the team whether performing in the clutch or playing great interior defense and by 1987 that dynamic shifted to where Magic assumed that burden and became Batman in that sense. Kareem doing what he did at such an advanced age during that era of NBA basketball where almost no players were playing beyond age 35 and the rules were slanted to favor the defense was truly legendary and cannot be diminished, unprecedented. I mean the dude won an NBA Finals MVP at age 38 and was first-team all-NBA at age 39. Insane, players just don't do that except possibly LeGOAT if he reaches that point.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:20 pm to RLDSC FAN
Back to the original subject, let’s not forget Pippen hasn’t been as successful and relevant as Jordan. He’s using what time he has to continue making an argument and stay in the media. Jordan is level one tier one...LeBron has a HUGE mountain to climb to be in the argument. Is it close? Yeah he has shortened the gap, but not as much as people want you to believe. Was there an aura and mystique created? Yes...for sure. But Jordan was a competitor at the highest level and accomplished a frick ton. He was great. LeBron is very good.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:47 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:No, I don't.
Yes you do
quote:I didn't bring up PG, I brought up an Indy team that took Lebron to 7 games, you extrapolated that to me saying PG would go to the Finals every year.
You brought up those Pacers teams, not me.
Pacers taking Lebron to 7 games but you not thinking Pacers could beat Lebron's team is basically you saying you think any of those Harden teams could have beaten that best Pacers team which is LOL absurd.
quote:No, not at all. Why would you assume that? The Bulls, Celtics early on and Celtics last season and probably a couple of other teams in between were all at worst just as good and more to the point better than that Pacers squad.
If Lebron hadn't gone to a few Finals, you assume the Pacers would have, correct?
quote:All 7 of his Rockets teams? 0% chance, like I said.
So Harden's Rockets couldn't go to a few instead if given the opportunity?
quote:Lebron has gone to the Finals 7 straight, so it quite literally is the point.
And to your second point, Harden hasn't even been in Houston for 7 years, so that's pretty irrelevant.
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