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re: Saban expected to be named co-chair of the Presidential Commission studying college sports
Posted on 5/8/25 at 5:30 pm to Madking
Posted on 5/8/25 at 5:30 pm to Madking
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Tried to tell you guys this before it started. This scam is a tactic to drive up the price of players so that programs can’t afford to pay them at which point the networks and their partners will step in to pay and assume total control of the sport.
This a sound argument… conspiratorial but sound.. makes sense in a way
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 5:31 pm to lepdagod
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how can a body regulate what a outside entity is willing to pay you
They can’t. But they can say “you can’t participate in our organization if you do.” As I say, I’m more concerned that an organization that a kid volunteered to take part in, can’t have rules and regulations that need to be followed.
I think they SHOULD get money for true name image and likeness…sale of jerseys etc. But not being able to limit years of eligibility, transfer rules, etc. is a problem to me.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 5:36 pm to Madking
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Is it? You’re using the illusion of it to justify your position.
Of course it is.,,, I’m not arguing no one is abusing the system.,. I’m arguing for the system itself… you implement rules and punish bad actors not scrape the whole system.., what are you arguing against really… do you feel compensation is not deserve or compensation must be limited???
Posted on 5/8/25 at 5:38 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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But not being able to limit years of eligibility, transfer rules, etc. is a problem to me.
I think this is the problem for everyone… the only rule I see that needs to implemented that has a chance of winning in court is the transfer rule..
Posted on 5/8/25 at 5:38 pm to lepdagod
Well to be clear, I had no issue with NIL as it was presented to us. Paying a guy for a commercial, jersey sales, autographs etc. of course, especially since they’re not allowed to work. They even used the Johnny Manziel situation to sell it to us. Thing is there’s an easy way to pay all of them for the extra time and work the modern guys have to put in but it isn’t by anonymous donations outside of the program itself. That was the giveaway imo. You could’ve either gone the letter of the law route which is what NIL was supposed to be or you could’ve used a per diem type system that the programs could track and budget for. They did neither and knew it would destabilize the sport. Thats looks like a takeover move to me and when you add in the streaming contracts and how they’re being set up it looks like when a parent company assimilates the purchase of a network.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 5/8/25 at 5:39 pm to lepdagod
Ok, I see what you’re saying now. I agree with you, just pointing out that it is being abused, openly.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 5:42 pm to lepdagod
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their name, image and likeness should not be included in that agreement
I do agree and I think we can both agree that NIL as it stands has nothing to do with a players name image and likeness and everything to do with pay for play which wasn’t supposed to happen when they sold this to everyone
Posted on 5/8/25 at 5:43 pm to Madking
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You could’ve either gone the letter of the law route which is what NIL was supposed to be or you could’ve used a per diem type system that the programs could track and budget for. They did neither and knew it would destabilize the sport.
Who is “they” in this scenario???,.. because I feel the people who caused this was rich alumni/boosters.., and I doubt any of them would want to relinquish control to the tv networks
Posted on 5/8/25 at 5:45 pm to Madking
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Tried to tell you guys this before it started. This scam is a tactic to drive up the price of players so that programs can’t afford to pay them at which point the networks and their partners will step in to pay and assume total control of the sport. Thats always been the plan of NIL to separate the players from the programs in order to control the sport, basically replacing NCAA.
I think you’re onto something with this. Makes sense considering the networks killed the conferences, controlling the players through money would be the next logical step towards total control of the sport
Posted on 5/8/25 at 5:45 pm to ChanceOfRainIsNever
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I think we can both agree that NIL as it stands has nothing to do with a players name image and likeness and everything to do with pay for play which wasn’t supposed to happen when they sold this to everyone
Agreed… this point self evident seeing as a freshman isn’t even known to the majority of the fan base yet… this is a problem fixed simply with a rule though
Posted on 5/8/25 at 5:48 pm to ChanceOfRainIsNever
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I think you’re onto something with this.
His premise makes total sense… my only problem i see with it would be the football team probably would have to be a separate entity from the university
Posted on 5/8/25 at 5:49 pm to lepdagod
Whoever authored and set the parameters for NIL along with its enforcement.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 5/8/25 at 5:52 pm to ChanceOfRainIsNever
Basically they’d be creating their own league except it comes with a built in history and massive fan bases plus they can cut out the owners. All they needed was the NIL domino to fall.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 5:56 pm to lepdagod
I agree that’s the workaround but we’ve been told there’s a split coming soon. We’ll have 50-60 teams breaking away from all the other programs to have their own thing. Kinda falls into place no?
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:30 pm to Madking
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We’ll have 50-60 teams breaking away from all the other programs to have their own thing. Kinda falls into place no?
How do you get around powerful politicians who universities are left out
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:33 pm to lepdagod
Do you mean a powerful politician at a smaller school can stop this? I was under the impression that this split was happening regardless of what I might think maybe behind it.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:39 pm to Madking
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Do you mean a powerful politician at a smaller school can stop this? I was under the impression that this split was happening regardless of what I might think maybe behind it.
Of course they can..,universities at the end of the day state entities (most of them)… the President of a university not making that decision on his own
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:42 pm to lepdagod
So do you think this separation is going to happen? Everything I’ve heard or read is saying that it will. Logistically they’re going to be priced out anyway right? So it’s either go broke and shut the doors or break off to the group you can afford to complete with.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:42 pm to Madking
The be honest it’s probably best that a university leaves it to the private sector,. If a fan base or community want a good football team they should foot the bill
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:45 pm to lepdagod
Maybe but you’d have to start changing the rules. With zero oversight for NIL are you just going to give money freely not knowing anything after you give? How many people are going to do that?
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