re: Pretty tough to argue against Manning being the GOAT at this point

All of this arguing is silly. Everyone knows that Drew Brees is the best QB of all-time.

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The above is what intellectually challenged people argue when they have nothing else to argue with. Forget the fact that, since journalists started covering modern football, the record of a QB and the team he plays for has always gone hand in hand. Forget the fact that every expert who does this for a living uses W-L record to factor in their opinion on every QB who has ever played the game.

Josh336 is smarter than all of them as well as the journalists and pundits who have come before them.

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Sounds like you get all your analysis from ESPN

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Brady has a 17-7 playoff record while Manning has a 9-11 record.

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I'm so tired of seeing such painfully stupid nonsense. It's almost depressing

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It's no different than a pitcher getting the win or loss in a baseball game.

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And intelligent fans know that pitcher's win/loss, like qb's win/loss is perhaps the most useless metric out there.

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It's better than some random internet message board poster saying it isn't the best line of reasoning simply because he says it isn't.

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I provided you with several bits of quantifiable data that focuses specifically on a qb's play and you completely disregarded it because it doesn't fit your simplistic, trite, and cliched narrative.

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I provided you with several bits of quantifiable data that focuses specifically on a qb's play and you completely disregarded it because it doesn't fit your simplistic, trite, and cliched narrative.

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You hit me with stats. That's all that matters to you is stats. While those are important they aren't the end-all, be-all measures of a QB - especially in this era of the game. Trent Dilfer could probably put up decent numbers the way the rules are today. The numbers QBs put up in the regular season don't matter as much anymore because it's far easier to put up gaudy numbers in 2013 than it was in 1983. That's why Dan Marino's 1984 season and Joe Namath's 1967 season should be looked upon and marveled. They put up 5,000 yards and 4,000 yards respectively (the first QBs ever to do so) in an era where the rules favored the defense.

It would be 12 years before another QB threw for over 4,000 yards after Namath did it and it would be 24 years before another QB threw for over 5,000 yards after Marino did it. Keep in mind there were some damn fine QBs playing during this era. Some of the best who have ever played the game. So you can't say the passers got better. The rules just got more strict to allow offenses to put up bigger and better stats.

You gave me regular season and post-season QB rating, you gave me yards per attempt, and you gave me interception percentage.

Nothing but stats. To say I am obsessed with wins and losses as well as championships won, while ignoring the fact that you are obsessed with production, makes you the bigger troll my friend.

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I provided evidence to support my claim while refuting your other claim that Manning plays well in the regular season and collapses in the playoffs by providing evidence that it is Brady, not Manning, who actually performs worse in the playoffs.

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And I provided evidence as to why that was so. Brady has played in 4 additional playoff games and, as has been noted before, has had inferior talent to throw the ball to for much of his career. Manning, however, has always had talented receivers to get the ball to. Not only that, he's had a superior running game for much of his career.

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Manning, however, has always had talented receivers to get the ball to. Not only that, he's had a superior running game for much of his career.

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Aside from Edgerrin James, who stopped playing for the Colts in 2005, Peyton Manning hasn't had much to work with at the running back position, bro. Joseph Addai, Kenton Keith, Dominic Rhoades, Donald Brown, Mike Hart, Willis McGahee, Montee Ball, Ronnie Hillman, and Knowshon Moreno? Come on, superior running game?

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Since you seem to like factors that are totally out of their control (personnel), why don't you compare the defenses each of those guys played with the majority of their careers?

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Meaningless stats as both QBs played on teams that consistently won 12+ games every season. If the Colts were consistently a 9-7 or 10-6 team you might have something there.....but they weren't.