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re: Picking up a flag after the PI was called
Posted on 1/4/15 at 7:47 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Posted on 1/4/15 at 7:47 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Ready my last post 
If it is post play then it never offsets. If it occurs during the play then yes it will always offset. No shite
If it is post play then it never offsets. If it occurs during the play then yes it will always offset. No shite
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Posted on 1/4/15 at 7:50 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:The refs fricked it up for sure. but i think they fricked up by throwing the flag, or not throwing two to start. To call it a fix when they screwed both teams on that play from the get go is stupid
I honestly didn't like the call when I saw it. Pettigrew has his hand extended on the defender the entire way down the field grabbing and pushing off, and Stafford threw an awful pass. The way they handled it though was terrible and looked terribly odd.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 7:55 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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HOW LONG YOU BEEN WATCHING FOOTBALL ? Penalties always offset unless one is post play. 10 fouls vs. one is still offsetting penalties.
How long have you been watching football??
Dez Bryants foul would have been dead ballPosted on 1/4/15 at 7:58 pm to fleaux
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Dez Bryants foul would have been dead ball
Shite, at the rate those refs were going i am surprised we didn't see a Ref hand Dez 2 dozen roses, stop the game, and make him take a lap delivering high fives around the stadium.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 7:58 pm to fleaux
Don't you dare bring logic into this discussion!!!!!!
Posted on 1/4/15 at 7:59 pm to lsupride87
There is no face guarding rule in the NFL. If a defender isn't contacting a receiver, it doesn't matter if they play the ball or not. The only time it matters is when they are playing the ball and incidental contact or hand fighting occurs, then that contact is legal. If they don't play the ball the contact is always illegal.
The contact on the play was initiated by the receiver by pulling him in and grabbing his facemask. Hitchens threw his hands up and didn't interfere with him. It shouldn't have been a flag in the first place.
Now, should they have picked it up? IMO no, picking it up after the call was BS. However you cannot say the Lions were screwed when the initial call was bullshite.
As a side, it disturbs me how both announcers AND Mike Pereira seemed oblivious to the rules there. All three were just flat out by the book wrong.
The contact on the play was initiated by the receiver by pulling him in and grabbing his facemask. Hitchens threw his hands up and didn't interfere with him. It shouldn't have been a flag in the first place.
Now, should they have picked it up? IMO no, picking it up after the call was BS. However you cannot say the Lions were screwed when the initial call was bullshite.
As a side, it disturbs me how both announcers AND Mike Pereira seemed oblivious to the rules there. All three were just flat out by the book wrong.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:00 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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THE P.I. BEING PICKED UP WAS THE PROPER CALL, IT WAS A HORRIBLE PASS.
So, what you're saying is unless it's a perfect pass they WR could not possibly be interfered with?
Pass was ok, hit the Cowboy defender in the back, which correlates to Ebron's hands.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:01 pm to BayouBengals03
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Did Bryant take off his helmet mid-play or like way after the play?
huh? Cowboys were on Defense, Dez stormed on to the field.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:03 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:THIS
There is no face guarding rule in the NFL. If a defender isn't contacting a receiver, it doesn't matter if they play the ball or not. The only time it matters is when they are playing the ball and incidental contact or hand fighting occurs, then that contact is legal. If they don't play the ball the contact is always illegal.
The contact on the play was initiated by the receiver by pulling him in and grabbing his facemask. Hitchens threw his hands up and didn't interfere with him. It shouldn't have been a flag in the first place.
Now, should they have picked it up? IMO no, picking it up after the call was BS. However you cannot say the Lions were screwed when the initial call was bullshite
IS
SPOT
ON
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:03 pm to lsupride87
No its not
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:04 pm to lsupride87
Spot on funny
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:05 pm to MoreOrLes
quote:Yes it is. There is no face guarding in the NFL: Fact
No its not
Contact was initiated by Pettigrew with his hands to the face: fact
He never made a move to comeback through the receiver for the ball: fact
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:06 pm to Diddles
Even if it is spot on Dez should have been flagged and the Lions would have had first and ten inside the 30
This post was edited on 1/4/15 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:08 pm to lsupride87
We have a lot of kids on this board who have grown up only knowing a league where refs throw flags just about every time a catchable pass is thrown and a defender doesn't play the ball. This has resulted in fans across the country believing that face guarding is illegal.
What they don't realize is that the defender must still interfere in order for it to be a foul. The only time Hitchens contacted the receiver on the play was a brief grab of his right shoulder as he was being pulled in by the receiver.
The pass catcher initiated the contact, and because the defender did not interfere by definition he cannot be called for PI regardless of whether he played the ball.
What they don't realize is that the defender must still interfere in order for it to be a foul. The only time Hitchens contacted the receiver on the play was a brief grab of his right shoulder as he was being pulled in by the receiver.
The pass catcher initiated the contact, and because the defender did not interfere by definition he cannot be called for PI regardless of whether he played the ball.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:09 pm to lsupride87
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Contact was initiated by Pettigrew with his hands to the face
Contact was made FACT
He did indeed try to comeback and catch the ball, in fact i think he touched the ball. FACT
It was Pass Interference FACT
The world disagrees with you FACT
This post was edited on 1/4/15 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:10 pm to fleaux
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Even if it is spot on Dez should have been flagged and the Lions would have had first and ten inside the 30
Correct, Bryant should have been flagged. However players run on the field all the time after big plays (especially at the end of games) with no flags thrown. Don't act like this was a rare occurrence, every time a team clinches a game in the final minutes on a big defensive play multiple players run off the sideline to jump around and high five.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:11 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Don't act like this was a rare occurrence, every time a team clinches a game in the final minutes on a big defensive play multiple players run off the sideline to jump around and high five.
He wasn't doing this
He was lobbying for them to pick up the flag
That was a rare occurrence and should have been called
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:11 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Correct, Bryant should have been flagged. However players run on the field all the time after big plays (especially at the end of games) with no flags thrown. Don't act like this was a rare occurrence, every time a team clinches a game in the final minutes on a big defensive play multiple players run off the sideline to jump around and high five.
Do those players run onto the field to argue with an official?? A coach can't even legally run out onto the field to do that
This post was edited on 1/4/15 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:12 pm to MoreOrLes
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It was Pass Interference FACT
Not according to the rule book. I will agree that it constitutes PI by the definition often used (incorrectly) by refs during games these days.
Roughly a third of all PI calls are just blatantly wrong according to an analysis done by PFF last year.
This post was edited on 1/4/15 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:12 pm to Sleazy E
quote:
NFL is rigged
Lol. Melting is fun.
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