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re: PGA Tour disciplines golfers 'who have decided to turn their backs' on PGA for LIV
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:03 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:03 pm to lsupride87
quote:Yea. I just don't see the argument against it. I assumed 54 holes was a legit argument as I certainly don't know shite about OWGR, but they give points to a 54 hole tourney with 0 SOF. So I can't really see any reason why Liv would not get points logically, no?
Oh I see your point. They could
quote:Same way they do every other tourney. I imagine it's based on the strength of field. That's why that 1 random tourney only had 3 dudes get points. In your hypotheticaly, it would obviously have the highest possible SOF, so points should be awarded accordingly. Why not?
But then it becomes a mess. Let’s say the top 48 players in the world joined LIV. How do you do the points? Obviously the field is fricking stacked, so coming out dead fricking last isn’t bad
quote:Couple of things. Even in your hypo of the best 48, finishing 48 should still get you "few" points, just way more points than finishing 48th in an average tourney. But in this real life scenario, the SOF will obviously not be THAT high, so why can't the last place dudes get little to no points accordingly?
But if you say everyone gets awarded points, then you have an entire “tour” setup where people just keep getting points for showing up, and what happens then for everyone else?
quote:I still don't see how that factors in at all. Honest question, if not every tourney gives points to every player who makes the cut, does that not deem the cut angle irrelevant?
It’s just a mess to do an entire tour with no cuts.
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Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:05 pm to lsupride87
quote:But then the argument would be the OWGR would deny their application based on self preservation, not necessarily based on logic.
Now why in the holy blue frick of holy blue fricks would the PGA and DP tour have taken the actions they did if they knew OWGR even had an iota of discussion to actually getting points?
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:08 pm to RedHawk
quote:
Of Course the AFL had money, but they didn't have the kind of money where they are prepared to light it on fire and never turn a profit.
The only reason that LIV has gotten the field they have so far is because of the crazy money they have given the players.
Who should LIV apologize to for that?
And all this suspending news that the PGA thinks is big news today is just more public propaganda. The LIV players certainly knew that was coming and they are still leaving.
LIV is a lot more worried about growing their own league at this point. The PGA is a lot more worried about stopping the exodus.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:12 pm to shel311
quote:Because with only 48 players, you are essentially “cooking the books” on SOF. You aren’t letting in the young or lower ranked players in, so your awarded points will be decently high for 1-48
I still don't see how that factors in at all. Honest question, if not every tourney gives points to every player who makes the cut, does that not deem the cut angle irrelevant?
So once a player got good enough to be selected to LIV, he could coast forever and not have to do anything to stay ranked high
Now, if you get ranked high, ylu still have to maintain a level of play at least good enough to make cuts to stay ranked
Let’s take Rickie for example. If The PGA tour had the LIV model these last few years, Rickie would still be a decently ranked golfer
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:13 pm to lsupride87
quote:Didn't you say there's a dude playing who has never shot under par in a pro tourney?
Because with only 48 players, you are essentially “cooking the books” on SOF. You aren’t letting in the young or lower ranked players in, so your awarded points will be decently high for 1-48
quote:Should you really get that many points for averaging 45th place out of 48 even in a highly competitive field? Again, that sounds like more of an issue with how points are given than letting Liv in.
So once a player got good enough to be selected to LIV, he could coast forever and not have to do anything to stay ranked high
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:18 pm to shel311
quote:Correct
Didn't you say there's a dude playing who has never shot under par in a pro tourney?
Great way for me to show this to you. That guy hs never came close to a cut, so he has no points
The RBC and LIV, have the same SOF according to calculations this week. That rating would have 48th place getting roughly 2 points
So if LIV was awarded points, the golfer you are questioning would get 2 points because he is guaranteed 48th place
Where we know if he played the RBC he would get zero because he can’t actually “earn his way” to points
quote:Not really, cause we have never really had a exhibition tour ever try to get OWGR points.
Again, that sounds like more of an issue with how points are given than letting Liv in.
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:20 pm to lsupride87
quote:
How are they going to play majors with no OWGR points?
What is stopping the Majors from changing the guidelines on who they invite to the tournament?
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:24 pm to bamameister
quote:
Who should LIV apologize to for that?
Never said they had to apologize.
quote:
LIV is a lot more worried about growing their own league at this point. The PGA is a lot more worried about stopping the exodus.
And that is where we are right now.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:26 pm to deathvalleytiger10
quote:
What is stopping the Majors from changing the guidelines on who they invite to the tournament?
I have a feeling that if the Majors change the guidelines it will be less inclusive for LIV golfers than the other way around.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:26 pm to lsupride87
quote:Again, why do cuts matter? He could have made cuts and also have no points, so I don't get why it matters at all. He can come to live, suck royally, finish 48th and get no points.
Great way for me to show this to you. That guy hs never came close to a cut, so he has no points
quote:Gotcha, fair point there. Also, seems like Liv isn't set at 48 though, it'll likely be more, and obviously if it's a hit, then it'll take off a bit and go way above 48.
The RBC and LIV, have the same SOF according to calculations this week. That rating would have 48th place getting roughly 2 points
So if LIV was awarded points, the golfer you are questioning would get 2 points because he is guaranteed 48th place
Where we know if he played the RBC he would get zero because he can’t actually “earn his way” to points
quote:Honest question, why is it considered an exhibition tour and not just like any other tourney?
Not really, cause we have never really had a exhibition tour ever try to get OWGR points.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:30 pm to shel311
quote:Because the Golding standard is 72 holes with a cut
Honest question, why is it considered an exhibition tour and not just like any other tourney?
Are there some one off events that differ, yes. But the standard of a tour model is very consistent and has been for sometime. The OWGR shouldn’t bend their standards to a newcomer, LIV should adjust if they want to be recognized the same. I don’t know why anyone would disagree
Now LIV doesn’t want to do that because their entire sell to players is less golf.
But if LIV did go to 72 holes and a cut, then the OWGR board could only deny them under personal reasons. But right now it’s easy for them to say frick you because they aren’t even confirming close to the standard for tour golf
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:32 pm to lsupride87
quote:Meh, if 54 hole tournies get points, I don't see why a tourney should not get points because it's 54 holes. But that's just me, the casual golf fan.
Because the Golding standard is 72 holes with a cut
Are there some one off events that differ, yes. But the standard of a tour model is very consistent and has been for sometime. The OWGR shouldn’t bend their standards to a newcomer, LIV should adjust if they want to be recognized the same. I don’t know why anyone would disagree
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:32 pm to RedHawk
quote:
I have a feeling that if the Majors change the guidelines it will be less inclusive for LIV golfers than the other way around.
Why?
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:34 pm to deathvalleytiger10
quote:
What is stopping the Majors from changing the guidelines on who they invite to the tournament?
Absolutely nothing. If they wanted to, they could add a 2023 exemption for the 2022 LIV Tour Individual Champion.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:34 pm to deathvalleytiger10
quote:
Why?
I'm guessing their long standing relationship with the PGA and it doesn't seem like they support the LIV tour at the moment. This is only speaking for the Masters, U.S. Open and PGA Championship. I have no feeling on what the British Open might do.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:35 pm to shel311
quote:
Honest question, why is it considered an exhibition tour
It's not. Only lsupride or some other PGA Tour die hard is calling it an exhibition tour.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:36 pm to shel311
quote:Ok fair. As of now, an event that is scheduled for 54 holes is only allowed 4 points maximum
Honest question, why is it considered an exhibition tour and not just like any other tourney?
I say let LIV have it
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:37 pm to RedHawk
quote:
I'm guessing their long standing relationship with the PGA and it doesn't seem like they support the LIV tour at the moment.
This is all speculative & not really based on anything factual. What have the majors done that makes it seem like they don't support the LIV tour?
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:38 pm to lsufb1912
It 100% is an exhibitoon
Not a single qualifying metric for obtaining entry and guaranteed payments to players. It’s the very definition of an exhibition. To be a tour there has to be a standard of entry
Not a single qualifying metric for obtaining entry and guaranteed payments to players. It’s the very definition of an exhibition. To be a tour there has to be a standard of entry
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:38 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Ok fair. As of now, an event that is scheduled for 54 holes is only allowed 4 points maximum
I say let LIV have it
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