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re: Perfect Case in this Article for Why Joe Paterno should resign/be fired
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:53 pm to CocomoLSU
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:53 pm to CocomoLSU
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rom the OP:
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Paterno is as guilty as sandusky in my opinion because of his cowardice
But has that really been a topic of conversation in this thread? Other then OP I dont think anyone feels that way, or has tried to make that argument.
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I agree with that. Regardless of his level of involvement, he was likely involved in some way. Anything associated with all this shite should be fired/retire/quit/etc. PSU will need a complete overhaul after this.
Then what the frick are we arguing?
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:54 pm to Lester Earl
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ecause of people like you that lump him in the same category as child molesters and Nazis.
Yes, I've clearly done both of those things. Oh wait, Ive done neither.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:54 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:Exactly.
I agree with that. Regardless of his level of involvement, he was likely involved in some way. Anything associated with all this shite should be fired/retire/quit/etc.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:55 pm to Lester Earl
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pretty sure he was retired at this point and not on Joe Pa's staff.
I don't see how that makes him a "sick human" to pass that off to his boss. You are smarter than that. Think about what you are saying.
The assistant seeing the boy being raped and reporting it was not the first time that Sandusky had been under a microscope for molestation.
Joe Pa certainly knew that.
So when someone comes to you OUT OF THE BLUE with an allegation like that, and it runs parallel with other stuff you've known previously, then that's not smoke it's a fricking bonfire. You can take it to your higherups, but that has to come with a moral time limitation.
As people have said, Joe is PSU and is easily the most important person there. If he walks into their offices and says, "Hey, where are we at in that investigation into Jerry. What'd the police say"- and then isn't satisfied so he goes to the cops, this whole thing is over WAY sooner.
Very simple chain of events to follow
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:55 pm to Tiger Ryno
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but what he admitted to knowing is enough for him to catch hell for not making sure the authorities were involved.
This is such a simple concept to understand yet there are some here that are too invested in their opinions to open their eyes to common sense.
Paterno has a boss. He answers to someone. When something like this happens, he turns it over to his superiors and they handle it. I don't see it as passing the buck as much as I see it as protocol. The superiors should've no doubt "handled" it (the right way). And they apparently did not. Should JP be villified for not checking back up on all of it? I don't know. Maybe so. But I'll wait to see what actually happened before I make that judgment on him. Last time I checked (Casey Anthony trial), we do still live in a place where you have to be proven guilty. And until JP is (and how deeply involved he was), I'll withhold judgment on him. I think that's fair.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:56 pm to CocomoLSU
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t. I don't see it as passing the buck as much as I see it as protocol
This goes way outside protocol. This isn't theft or drug use.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:57 pm to WDE24
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His former player and current assistant coach came to him and gave him an account of witnessing a 10 year old getting raped in his locker room. That rape was never reported to the police.
There is no getting around that.
Joe Pa either has to determine that his GA made it up or was unreliable, or he has to go to the police. He did neither.
He didn't report it to police, but he did report it. That counts for a lot IMO (and is one reason he's not indicted). And that is where we differ. If more facts come out nad he is heavily involved in a cover-up, then I'll have no problem coming over to your side.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:58 pm to CocomoLSU
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Paterno has a boss. He answers to someone. When something like this happens, he turns it over to his superiors and they handle it. I don't see it as passing the buck as much as I see it as protocol.
Wait, you hear that someone is being raped behind your building and you go to your boss? C'mon man. I imagine your boss would tell you to call the fricking police.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:58 pm to CocomoLSU
are you honestly sitting there saying that you wouldn't go check on the status of this frequently? Like all the goddamn time?
A close friend of mine and something horrible like that possibly happening in MY locker room? I'm knocking down every door until that is handled properly.
A close friend of mine and something horrible like that possibly happening in MY locker room? I'm knocking down every door until that is handled properly.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:58 pm to LfcSU3520
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I would expect the cops would have calls from everyone involved in this story minus Sandusky. If for nothing else, than to clear their conscience of it and get it out of their hands.
This is what I don't get with people saying Joe did it right. He may have met the minimum requirement of the law, but as a leader of the University and the face of PSU He should be held to a higher standard than that.
How the cops weren't called immediately is beyond me.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:59 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:That is debatable.
He answers to someone.
quote:This was a criminal matter and not just any criminal matter, but one that involved the sexual abuse of a child. His responsibility is greater than that and it is not debatable.
When something like this happens, he turns it over to his superiors and they handle it.
quote:Joe Pa is not charged with a crime and proof of guilt of a crime is not necessary for him to be fired or vilified for what he has himself testified to under oath.
Last time I checked (Casey Anthony trial), we do still live in a place where you have to be proven guilty.
quote:Enough is known from his own admission at this point. It can only get worse as more information comes out.
And until JP is (and how deeply involved he was), I'll withhold judgment on him. I think that's fair.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:59 pm to LfcSU3520
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As people have said, Joe is PSU and is easily the most important person there. If he walks into their offices and says, "Hey, where are we at in that investigation into Jerry. What'd the police say"- and then isn't satisfied so he goes to the cops, this whole thing is over WAY sooner.
he absolutely should have followed up. It would have been the morally right thing to do. But i don't think he was obligated to go on a crusade against PSU administrators on the issue.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:00 pm to CocomoLSU
I don't think Joe Pa should go to jail but I do think he should be fired unceremoniously.
I fully believe that details will come out in this that will warrant him not being celebrated by the university once his career is over.
I fully believe that details will come out in this that will warrant him not being celebrated by the university once his career is over.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:00 pm to Tiger Ryno
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How the cops weren't called immediately is beyond me.
I really think some of these folks don't understand how serious these crimes really are.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Wait, you hear that someone is being raped behind your building and you go to your boss? C'mon man. I imagine your boss would tell you to call the fricking police.
like McQueary did?
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:01 pm to Lester Earl
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like McQueary did?
No, read again.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:01 pm to Lester Earl
I agree with that from the legal standpoint.
However, I just will not side with anyone who doesn't follow up on this morally or as a normal human being.
Hence why I think he's in no legal trouble, but should lose all hero status he's been given
However, I just will not side with anyone who doesn't follow up on this morally or as a normal human being.
Hence why I think he's in no legal trouble, but should lose all hero status he's been given
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:02 pm to Lester Earl
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ike McQueary did?
no one is saying what the ginger did was right either. If you would like to discuss his actions, and consequences from those actions, start a thread about it. This one is about Joepa.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:02 pm to LfcSU3520
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Then he hires that man to be his recruiting coordinator and keeps him around the program in a trusted position? Huge discrepancy there.
If someone came to me with an accusation like that of a friend of mine, we SHALL be getting to the bottom of it. And if I didn't 100% trust the person making an accusation like that, he sure as frick wouldn't be working for me a decade later in a very important position.
Maybe you wouldn't or I wouldn't keep him around. But JP apparently did. It's odd, no doubt, and McQueary is at the center of a lot of this IMO. But I won't necessarily condemn JP for hiring him.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:03 pm to Lester Earl
quote:He should be fired too. He trusted Paterno and seemingly passed the buck to him. Paterno apparently trusted the administration and passed the buck to them. None of them had the courage to do the right thing and all deserve criticism and blame.
like McQueary did?
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