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re: Perfect Case in this Article for Why Joe Paterno should resign/be fired

Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:45 pm to
Posted by JG77056
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:45 pm to
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So do you think Paterno would be a "narc" (I am really laughing at your use of this, and fear of it for some reason) for turning in Sandusky to the cops for what he was told?


No, I think Commandeaux would be a narc for turning his best friend into the cops without any proof because a total stranger told him his best friend did something wrong. THAT'S what you responded to. It's right there at the top of page 11. Read it again, and then again if you still can't grasp that.
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:46 pm to
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and what 8-9 years go by without any follow-up by JoePa?


Exactly.

It's not like he or McQuery forgot, so clearly they all agreed not to go public with it for some reason.

Posted by Nittany Lion
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:47 pm to
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anyway, at this point if I am a die hard nittany lion i want this. fire spanier, clear house in the athletic department following a massive internal investigation, and then i have Joe Pa retire. nittany lions will want this just to be over so basically i think everyone should start anew


I agree with plenty of this and I've wanted Spanier out before this went down so if he goes I will be happy. Between the budget fiasco and the fact that tuition rates are spiking out of control and the real bane of my existence the new STEP program that forces us to have to donate more to keep our tickets so the athletic dept can make up for their projected shortfall...I have plenty of reasons to want to see Spanier out.

This is a killer though to anyone that's ever supported the football program. I would put Jerry right up there with Joe, Rip and Franny in terms of greatest coaches we've had here. That's why it's such a shock to me.
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:48 pm to
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the GA may have not said anything on his own accord. It doesn't mean he was told not to.


He was young, trying to make it up the coaching ladder. Maybe he picked his career over what was going on with Sandusky. Its not that far fetched.


Which means that he was enticed into staying quiet.

He knew that getting JoePa pissed at him would hurt his career, so he stayed quiet at JoePa's or the AD's (or both) request.
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

No, I think Commandeaux would be a narc for turning his best friend into the cops without any proof because a total stranger told him his best friend did something wrong. THAT'S what you responded to. It's right there at the top of page 11. Read it again, and then again if you still can't grasp that.


McQuery isn't a total stranger. He's a guy who JoePa has known since he recruited him to play QB at Penn State and a guy who JoePa hired onto his staff.
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:49 pm to
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anyway, at this point if I am a die hard nittany lion i want this. fire spanier, clear house in the athletic department following a massive internal investigation, and then i have Joe Pa retire. nittany lions will want this just to be over so basically i think everyone should start anew


I think you have to fire him if he doesn't resign first. Retirement is not an option, IMO. You let Joe retire and you look like you are supporting someone who is negligible in this situation. I think you have to fire him.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:49 pm to
quote:


He knew that getting JoePa pissed at him would hurt his career, so he stayed quiet at JoePa's or the AD's (or both) request.



It certainly seems that protecting careers was more important than stopping this criminal activity.
Posted by TreyAnastasio
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:49 pm to
Stewart Mandel
RT @danwetzel Sources: Sandusky worked out in Penn State weight room multiple times last week bit.ly/uj3EUX”
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:50 pm to
it;s just a sad, sad situation that really can harm PSU and really it is sad to see this happen. and those retarded tuition costs are part of the reason i cam home. my dad ended up writing PSU a check close to $48,000 for my first 3 semesters and i know PSU is a great school, i loved it there, but the education is not on Vandy level like it'd tuition indicated. i remember when the problem was being discussed when i was there in 2009 and it was ridiculous how little the state of PA was doing and how little PSU was fighting for. for some reason though my class at least loved spanier it seemed. dude came across as slimy to me but i was too busy hating our dead beat president michael adams to pay much attention
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I think you have to fire him if he doesn't resign first. Retirement is not an option, IMO. You let Joe retire and you look like you are supporting someone who is negligible in this situation. I think you have to fire him.


now while i advocate him stepping down because of this and that he shouldn't be spared because of his legend status i still think he should be given the dignity of retiring. he is not the most guilty here, not by a long shot. spanier, sandusky, the AD, the VP, and many others are perhaps more guilty. but Paterno is in fact guilty. so make him leave after this year but let him ride into the sunset. the media fall out will do more than enough to dampen his departure, no need to add on.
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 1:53 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

Which means that he was enticed into staying quiet.



It doesn't mean he was enticed at all.


And even if he was, it Still doesn't mean he should be exempt from criticism. He should be at the forefront, actually.
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 1:53 pm
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:55 pm to
You'll just have to go listen for yourself. He was fuming.

This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 1:56 pm
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:58 pm to
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he should be given the dignity of retiring

he deserves zero dignity. he is trash. allowing one little boy to be molested is far worse than any good he has ever done. Go ask those young men and their families if Joe deserves any dignity.
Posted by Nittany Lion
Pennsylvania
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

for some reason though my class at least loved spanier it seemed


He's a snake oil salesman. He'll do anything to get you to pony up but it's finally coming back to bite him in this economy and the writing was one the wall years before. It's flat out frustrating to me to see people like you that wanted to attend school there leave because it seems that none of the university accountants know how to balance a budget. It's dissapointing to see the current state of the university.
Posted by Grabo
Member since Dec 2008
1123 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:59 pm to
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Again, how is McQuery made to stay silent for 8 years?


He's a disgusting human being who parlayed the situation into a high paying assistant job. How else can you explain his lack of action over the years?

He didn't stop the sexual assault.

He didn't call the police to help the child and stop Sandusky.

He didn't say anything as Sandusky kept working with children at his foundation.

He didn't say anything when Sandusky brought children to practice.

Posted by Sophandros
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 2:00 pm to
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It certainly seems that protecting careers was more important than stopping this criminal activity.


Yep. And it seems that many people on this thread believe that sort of thing is perfectly justifiable.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22823 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 2:00 pm to
This whole situation just reeks. Do I think Joe Pa knew and was aware of the cover up? Yes but obviously that is where it stops since there is no hard proof. HOWEVER, Joe Pa's whole legacy is based on integrity and now it is shot IMO bc he will forever be associated with this (and rightfully so). Look at what happened to Tressel and he was just covering for kids getting extra benefits.

PSU gambled that this would just go away instead of dealing with it when it first came about and taking the initial hit. This is about arrogance that you are untouchable.
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 2:02 pm
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 2:01 pm to
quote:

It doesn't mean he was enticed at all.


And even if he was, it Still doesn't mean he should be exempt from criticism. He should be at the forefront, actually.


I would love to see where I, or anyone else, exempted him from criticism.

Good luck with finding such a statement.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 2:01 pm to
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You'll just have to go listen for yourself. He was fuming.



You talking about SVP? Guess I'll have to wait and listen to the podcast tomorrow.
Posted by Sophandros
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45218 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

Do I think Joe Pa knew and was aware of the cover up? Yes but obviously that is where it stops since there is no hard proof.


I think that it's quite clear that if there was a cover up, JoePa HAD to be involved and there is a very, very good chance that the cover up happened on his orders.
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 2:03 pm to
One positive for PSU. Since they won't have a head coach, assistant head coach, AD, or University President next year, they can just hire Saban to fill all of the positions. He would love the control.
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