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re: Paterno and Spanier out effective immediately -- PSU BOT just announced
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:31 am to TheWhizzinator
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:31 am to TheWhizzinator
it looks like 50% of the people "rioting" are just there to film it with their iphone.
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Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:51 am to bradwieser
I would think that a lot of those kids are there just so they could say they were there, no matter what their feelings are on the situation.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 1:31 am to lsu_grl
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I would think that a lot of those kids are there just so they could say they were there, no matter what their feelings are on the situation.
Can't blame them there. I would be there to witness a historic moment.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 1:42 am to NATidefan
As would I if I were there
Posted on 11/10/11 at 2:27 am to lsu_grl
See ya
Posted on 11/10/11 at 3:07 am to Fatbackhawg
Huh?
Posted on 11/10/11 at 3:09 am to alu
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listen, its not as if that the peopple he told did not have the same obligatin. that all the blame falls to him is ludicrous.
you do realize that Joe Pa reporting something to the AD, especially in 2002, is akin to him reporting it down, right? he might as well have reported it to his offensive coordinator... everyone at that school, and everyone in that town, reported to Paterno.. he made a mistake trying to protect a friend.. not that he condoned it.. but he should have reported it to authorities.. he didnt, and at least 5 more kids paid for it.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 3:21 am to Fatbackhawg
To quote a 16 year old family friend that plays football for Rummel: "It's sad how the best college football coach in history had to go out like that...Joe Pa you got my support!"
It's sad that many of his his friends "liked" his status.
My response: "He could've prevented kids from being raped/molested. He was willfully blind & chose the football program over the kids"
It's sad that many of his his friends "liked" his status.
My response: "He could've prevented kids from being raped/molested. He was willfully blind & chose the football program over the kids"
Posted on 11/10/11 at 3:31 am to alu
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listen, its not as if that the peopple he told did not have the same obligatin. that all the blame falls to him is ludicrous.
but people just want to focus on how he was related to it and not the actual crime or criminal, its sad really
Help me to see your point
You are the curator/manager of a museum/library/public building and someone informs you that one of the guides is has been seen raping kids in the bathroom and this is a confirmed issue for quite a while.
1. You call him to the office and fire his arse and call the cops
2. You call him to the office , inform him that you are going to report to the board and get him fired and call the cops
3. You don't talk to him because it nauseates you - but you still inform the board and ensure that they call the cops
4. You send an SMS to your board member and give him vague details and then don't bother following up with anything and then it happens again and again and you turn a blind eye to it because you did after all inform the board!!
What is YOUR right decision here ?
Posted on 11/10/11 at 5:03 am to beaver
The only decision that could be made. What took so long?
Posted on 11/10/11 at 6:09 am to CalTiger
The amazing thing is no one tried to find the kid. The grad assistant, his dad and joe all had either seen or been told he was getting arse raped and never tried to find the kid from what i have seen. That's fricked up.
Even if McQueery was skeered he could have tried to help the kid on the DL.
Even if McQueery was skeered he could have tried to help the kid on the DL.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 6:42 am to Jaydeaux
Finally they did something right.
At minimum Joe didn't do enough and at max he looked the other way on purpose to avoid tarnishing his program.
Either way,the end result was additional kids being molested.
This was his program. For all those that keep defending him saying he did all he was supposed to do that is just a crock!
He worked with this guy for 30 years. If you think he didn't follow up, then you are crazy and if he didn't follow up it was to AVOID learning the truth. This wasn't a casual acquaintance. This wasn't a graduate assistant with a part time job helping the football team. It was a man who worked with Joe for 30 years and at one time was the heir apparent.
Joe either helped with the cover up or buried his head knowing full well that something bad was going on and I really don't see how anyone can argue the opposite point.
I didn't hate Joe before this week. Yes, I thought he was a bit of a puppet coach propped up to beat a record, but I also used him all the time as an example of continuity in coaching being a good thing and that if you were able to win once, you could get back to winning even after a losing spell.
Now, I hate him. It is clear he felt he was above everything and everyone. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I disagree 100% with Mandel over on SI. This does wreck his whole career. Mainly because we have no idea how long he has been burying his head in the sand to protect the program. We have no idea how many other times, he looked the other direction.
I would tear down the statue and put corrupt piece of crap next to the * near his name in the record books.
At minimum Joe didn't do enough and at max he looked the other way on purpose to avoid tarnishing his program.
Either way,the end result was additional kids being molested.
This was his program. For all those that keep defending him saying he did all he was supposed to do that is just a crock!
He worked with this guy for 30 years. If you think he didn't follow up, then you are crazy and if he didn't follow up it was to AVOID learning the truth. This wasn't a casual acquaintance. This wasn't a graduate assistant with a part time job helping the football team. It was a man who worked with Joe for 30 years and at one time was the heir apparent.
Joe either helped with the cover up or buried his head knowing full well that something bad was going on and I really don't see how anyone can argue the opposite point.
I didn't hate Joe before this week. Yes, I thought he was a bit of a puppet coach propped up to beat a record, but I also used him all the time as an example of continuity in coaching being a good thing and that if you were able to win once, you could get back to winning even after a losing spell.
Now, I hate him. It is clear he felt he was above everything and everyone. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I disagree 100% with Mandel over on SI. This does wreck his whole career. Mainly because we have no idea how long he has been burying his head in the sand to protect the program. We have no idea how many other times, he looked the other direction.
I would tear down the statue and put corrupt piece of crap next to the * near his name in the record books.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 6:43 am to Jaydeaux
At least the father of Mike McQueary is able to put the whole situation in context.
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"He's a good kid and a tough kid. He did what he was supposed to do, and all of this has been very hard on him. Everything from this and about this (case) has been difficult for him, but he's a strong person and will be OK."
Posted on 11/10/11 at 7:01 am to Grabo
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"He's a good kid and a tough kid. He did what he was supposed to do, and all of this has been very hard on him. Everything from this and about this (case) has been difficult for him, but he's a strong person and will be OK."
No the fricking moron should have informed the cops when he saw Sandusky roaming the halls the next time.
He was a gutless bastard who traded for job security instead of saving the lives of many children (and their families and friends by extension).
Would Mike McQuery have been happy with the process had his son been the victim?
Posted on 11/10/11 at 7:07 am to CalTiger
Ginger screwed up.
There were only two reasons not to confront The Rapist.
1. Fear for his safety. I have a hard time believing he felt the coach would kill him if confronted.
2. Fear for his job. This makes me wonder if he knew something about Paterno covering for coaches in the past.
Either way the kid was a coward for not stopping the rape.
The fact that he didn't immediately call the cops sure makes it look like he was more worried about his job than the kid being raped.
He could have found a pay phone or a phone in any office and made an anonymous call, yet he chose to go see his dad first. Sickening. How else can you look at this other than he wanted to make sure his position was safe?
Even if he feared a violent reaction, he could have called the police. He could have called the campus police. It just doesn't add up.
There were only two reasons not to confront The Rapist.
1. Fear for his safety. I have a hard time believing he felt the coach would kill him if confronted.
2. Fear for his job. This makes me wonder if he knew something about Paterno covering for coaches in the past.
Either way the kid was a coward for not stopping the rape.
The fact that he didn't immediately call the cops sure makes it look like he was more worried about his job than the kid being raped.
He could have found a pay phone or a phone in any office and made an anonymous call, yet he chose to go see his dad first. Sickening. How else can you look at this other than he wanted to make sure his position was safe?
Even if he feared a violent reaction, he could have called the police. He could have called the campus police. It just doesn't add up.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 7:07 am to beaver
JoePa will have to answer to a higher authority for his misdeeds. Turning a deaf ear in the face of evil is evil in itself.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 7:13 am to songofthesword
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the dude handled it right (outside of stopping the rape). the ball was dropped by paterno by now following through.
The guy continued to build his career at the university that chose to ignore this situation.
The truth is that he wasn't nearly as bothered by the situation as he should have been. He, like everyone else at PSU, put other things in front of the victims. He is exactly like Paterno.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 7:13 am to Shaka Zulu
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Message Posted by Shaka Zulu JoePa will have to answer to a higher authority for his misdeeds. Turning a deaf ear in the face of evil is evil in itself.
The invisible man who lives in the sky going to punish him?
Posted on 11/10/11 at 7:25 am to bradwieser
Remember when LSU was in the news this year for the bar fight and suspensions? Many of the "talking heads" commented that something like that would never happen at Penn St on Joe Pa's watch. He enabled those kids to be molested. I really think he is too old and senial to even fully understand what is happening or what DID happen.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 7:26 am to beaver
Scapegoatin'
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