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re: Pandemic P signs max extension
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:41 pm to TheRealKraken
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:41 pm to TheRealKraken
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Every word was English.
Maybe if you are Mr Perfect
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Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:48 pm to Fun Bunch
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Maybe have it count for cap purposes but not lux tax purposes or something, but only for players that you drafted.
That’s exactly what I thought I wrote. Lol
A team like Milwaukee shouldn’t be penalized for finding a Yannis, developing him, and then rewarding him.
What’s even worse is that the max contracts hurt the game psychologically. You go from loving a guy and rooting for him to suddenly looking at him as constraint to success.
They are now hamstrung, only going to be worse. Yet they really haven’t done anything wrong. They haven’t spent wildly or stupidly. And while some may look at some like KM, a small small market in an undesirable FA destination has to lock up good/great players cause it’s going to be hard to get their equivalent as a FA.
If Yannis contract didn’t count as much towards luxury then they could have made more moves. And that would result in better basketball.
Who wouldn’t want to see see BB/Gallinari on the Bucks and a new bench take on Sixers/Heat and then Lakers?
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:50 pm to SDVTiger
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Maybe if you are Mr Perfect
If you are going to complain about English then you shouldn’t be missing multiple periods in that sentence.
Still laughing. Cheers!
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:51 pm to TheRealKraken
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:53 pm to wildtigercat93
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Those 3 years in the NFL makes it nearly impossible to fill out a competitive roster because you have taken away a huge amount of cap space and have no ability to move away from the asset while still needed to fill out a 53 man roster
You have some hope at building thru the draft in the NFL. A bad QB contract isn’t going to stop you from
Building a young defense.
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ome team with no talent on their roster will be happy to pay 38 mil to PG. we literally just saw Westbrook and wall get traded which are way worse contracts than George’s could possibly be.
And who the frick wants to be the wizards to the rockets?
In terms of on the court, they both will have zero shot at title and will be drafting in a bad spot. The rockets are entering a black hole for the franchise that it will take a miracle harden trade to get out of.
You know what’s easier than moving bad contracts, cutting players. You can get off bad contracts without having to giving draft picks and most deals are only 3/4 years max.
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 12/10/20 at 3:20 pm to Dire Wolf
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You have some hope at building thru the draft in the NFL. A bad QB contract isn’t going to stop you from
Building a young defense.
And neither does the NBA max contract so I don’t see what your point is. If you max out a player you still have 75 percent of your cap to use to fill out a much smaller roster
A bad NFL contract at the QB position could cost you 20 plus percent of the cap and 51 other positions to fill
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And who the frick wants to be the wizards to the rockets?
There’s always a team who hasn’t had a marketable star in a few years and wants to sell some jerseys and make the playoffs. Always.
If you don’t want to be that team then trade the asset and tank. “Death sentence” over.
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In terms of on the court, they both will have zero shot at title and will be drafting in a bad spot. The rockets are entering a black hole for the franchise that it will take a miracle harden trade to get out of.
What max contract caused this?
They are entering into a black hole because James Harden doesn’t want to be there. Not because they gave anyone the max.
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You know what’s easier than moving bad contracts, cutting players. You can get off bad contracts without having to giving draft picks and most deals are only 3/4 years max.
Cutting players usually has a lasting impact on your cap books. Especially when you’re talking these huge contracts like Wentz. That contract is immovable because even if they found a suitor to take it on, he would still have a 60 million dollar cap hit on their cap space
The clippers can get out of this Paul George contract tomorrow or when he’s 36 if they wanted
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 12/10/20 at 3:34 pm to wildtigercat93
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They are entering into a black hole because James Harden doesn’t want to be there. Not because they gave anyone the max.
Yes and no.
There would be far more teams interested if he wasn’t on a max/years left.
Just the salary match in the trade is hard enough.
For example, on his new list is the Bucks. They would be hard pressed to be able to trade enough to get him unless they dumped Middleton. Which kinda defeats the whole purpose.
It’s the same issue that came up for them w CP3, not withstanding what Yannis wanted.
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 12/10/20 at 4:10 pm to wildtigercat93
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What max contract caused this?
They are entering into a black hole because James Harden doesn’t want to be there. Not because they gave anyone the max.
Max contract didn’t cause it but an unhappy superstar is feature of the nba.
You max a guy, wait until he is hurt or unhappy, then trade him for hope and peanuts.
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And neither does the NBA max contract so I don’t see what your point is. If you max out a player you still have 75 percent of your cap to use to fill out a much smaller roster
Which to contend, you need to find another max guy. Then you have 50% gone.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 4:14 pm to WestCoastAg
Is he still depressed?
Posted on 12/10/20 at 4:40 pm to Dire Wolf
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You max a guy, wait until he is hurt or unhappy, then trade him for hope and peanuts
Sounds better than signing a dud in the NFL and not getting any value out of it and still having it effect you for multiple years
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Which to contend, you need to find another max guy. Then you have 50% gone.
If you have 2 max contract players, then you aren’t in a death sentence as a team
that’s a good problem to have in most cases And if it’s not, you can move the asset and free the cap space
How are you not getting this?
Posted on 12/10/20 at 5:01 pm to wildtigercat93
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Sounds better than signing a dud in the NFL and not getting any value out of it and still having it effect you for multiple years
So does pushing picks and assets around until you run into a top 5 guy. You can spend decades until you find one, then you have to pray he doesn’t demand a trade.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 5:52 pm to Dire Wolf
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So does pushing picks and assets around until you run into a top 5 guy.
Choose your destiny. If you want to be a middle of the road team go for that, if you want to tank to swing for the fences then go ahead. You have options.
NFL options are much more limited
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You can spend decades until you find one, then you have to pray he doesn’t demand a trade.
That is a small market issue, has nothing to do with the max or the maxes ability to hamper franchises
If that player demands a trade, that’s the issue hampering the franchise, not the max contract
Posted on 12/10/20 at 6:25 pm to WestCoastAg
I don't think Paul George is a max player. Downvote away.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 6:50 pm to tiggerthetooth
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I don't think Paul George is a max player. Downvote away.
I don’t think there’s a ton of Paul George stans on here that are going to fight you too hard
In terms of realistic economics of the league, a player of George’s caliber is certainly a max player
But that doesn’t really mean a whole lot given the way the league works
Posted on 12/10/20 at 7:04 pm to wildtigercat93
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Choose your destiny. If you want to be a middle of the road team go for that, if you want to tank to swing for the fences then go ahead. You have options.
NFL options are much more limited
8 different franchises won a super last decade
7 won in the NBA but 3 of them had lebron.
You can be a great GM in the NBA and never win because you don’t have the one guy.
You need a QB in the nfl but there is just more and more ways to cover for meh QBs
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 12/10/20 at 7:27 pm to Dire Wolf
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8 different franchises won a super last decade
7 won in the NBA but 3 of them had lebron.
You can be a great GM in the NBA and never win because you don’t have the one guy.
You need a QB in the nfl but there is just more and more ways to cover for meh QBs
What does any of this have to do with max contracts
Posted on 12/10/20 at 7:34 pm to tiggerthetooth
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I don't think Paul George is a max player
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Paul George last 4 yrs: 24-7-4 on 43/40/85
last 5 playoff runs: 25-7-4 on 42/36/89
6x all star.
4x all nba 3rd team.
19’ all nba 1st team.
4x all defensive 1st team.
6’9 elite in iso.
41% from 3. not flawless but special.
keeps clippers towards the front of the pack.
I mean how weird must it have been playing for the guy whose daughter you cheated on
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