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re: official VINCE YOUNG is a GOD thread
Posted on 12/1/09 at 5:50 am to picollo
Posted on 12/1/09 at 5:50 am to picollo
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bullshite! You put together Young's games vs USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, the big12 CG, and the other game vs CU that year who was ranked and here is what you get......
What's bullshite? That Tebow hasn't had 2 seasons with a better passer rating, more yds more TD's and fewer ints that Vince? Or that he played against better competition? Here are their respective stats. In 2008 TT had fewer yds passing than Vince in 2005, TT had better #'s in all other categories. This is not a knock on VY, but Tebow has had good passing seasons and is not viewed as a good pro prospect at QB.
Tebow
VY
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The guy played big in big games, even with his arm. He was 75% passing vs USC's defense
A) that was college. B) I never said he didn't have big games, even with his arm in college C) USC's D was terrible that year. They gave up 42 to Fresno. The only team in your big games that had a good D in 2005 was Ohio State. No one is questioning his greatness in college. College greatness does not always translate into pro success.
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Being patient is something you grow into in the NFL. It is a learning curve that all QBs go through. Ask Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez about that. Yet you think Young should be above what EVERY young QB goes through? And I'm the one that should be laughed at?
You should be laughed at because you are just making excuses for your boy and want it both ways. You want to give him all the credit when they win and make lame excuses when he plays bad. Matt Ryan took over a team that was 4-12 (same record as Tenn in 2005 btw) and they went 11-5. This year he is not playing as well, yet he still has more TD's than INTs.
I never said Vince should be held to a different standard. You want it both ways. When the team wins, you give him all the credit, when he plays bad, you make excuses. When a QB has 9 TDs and 17 INTs, and his team wins 10 games (1 with another starter) then you can't say they won because of him. 2nd year or no, that is a bad season. If the VY fan boys are going to claim he's great and went 9-6 because he's a winner, then I am going to point out he didn't play well that year. In his 2nd year, Ben R played in 12 games, Pitt was 9-3, he had 17 TD and 9 INT.
When a team wins 9 games with a QB that plays shitty and follows that up with a 13 win year, its not because of the QB or that he has a knack for pulling games out, sorry.
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The difference between Roydell Williams/Brandon Jones is that they have NEVER been any good in the NFL. Bennett might have run his course, but he proved for quite a few years he can play in this league.
In 2007, Justin Gage had 750 yds. Drew Bennett had 1 season better than that in his career. Williams had 719. By contrast in 2006 Bennett had 737. The WR were not much different from 06 to 07. No excuse for VY to go 9-17.
This post was edited on 12/1/09 at 8:22 am
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Posted on 12/1/09 at 6:43 am to picollo
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Oh, you can point to it, but you are set in your ways, so it won't matter.
in other words, you can't explain it.
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For example, Rodgers had 6 chances with the ball in his hands to win games in the last couple minutes last year. He went 0-6. Vince had 6 chances to win games in the last couple minutes his rookie year, and he went 4-2
So what's your point? VY is better than Rodgers?. Against Chic last year they had a FG blocked on their last drive, not Rodgers fault and lost in OT without getting the ball. They also lost to Tenn in OT without getting the ball. Against Houston they scored 14 in the 4th and lost on a last second FG.
over the long haul a team will win more with a QB that throws for 4000 yds and has a 28-13 TD-INT ratio, than one has 2500 yds and a 9-17 ratio.
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You need players to win. You know..... guys who are good at football
That's my whole point. When they win its because of the TEAM, not just because of the QB.
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lol!! That number is largely skewed by the 59 point NE game. It would only be 27 without that game. They only gave up 13 to the Steelers, and lost. They also only gave up 24 to the Jets, and lost The difference between 27 and 18 is only one TD and a field goal
lol right back at ya. I love how you cherrypick btw. 27 ppg still sucks, 18 ppg is pretty good. The D played well against Pitt, They also gave up 34 to Houston, 37 to Jax and 31 to Indy. If you throw out NE and Pitt, they gave up 31.5 ppg in the other 4 games, that;s crap. and more points than the offense has scored in any one of the last 5 games (note they had 3 defensive TDs in these 5 games)
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The difference between 27 and 18 is only one TD and a field goal
that's 2 scores, that huge, also you are tossing out the worst game, but keeping the best game for the D, that's not fair or objective, but even sticking with 27.8 ppg (the actual total for those 5 games) thats a huge difference. They won the last 2 games 20-17. Against AZ, they needed to score a TD on the last play just to reach 20. If they were giving up 10 more points, the last drive doesn't matter. Credit VY for a spectacular drive, but its only possible if the defense keeps the other team under 21, when Tenn starts the drive with only 13.
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Like I said, the defense isn't that much better
You are just flat out wrong. 14 or even 10 points ppg is a HUGE difference in the NFL. During the 5 game streak, the offense has only scored more than 27.8 ONCE. Adding back the defensive TD's, that's 3 games over 27.8 or 3-2 over the last 5 with a 2 game losing streak.
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they just don't have to be on the field as long.
right, because they are stopping people. If the defense holds the other team to a 3 and out, how is that the QB's doing?
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I get that you just don't like the guy. Just come out and say it
I have no dislike for Vince himself. He is one of the greatest college players of all time and could be a good and maybe great QB in the NFL. I do freely admit I hate the Titans and their frickstain owner.
I dislike the fan boys and the way they over rate him. I also hate when people give QB's all the credit for team accomplishments. Ben R has been on 2 SB championship teams. In the first of those games, he played like crap, last year, he played well and lead a great, game winning drive. When people want to start saying he is a HOFer because he won 2 SB, I will point out the team won one of those SB in spite of his bad play because they had a great D and good running game. Same concept with VY.
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instead of spewing all kinds of hyperbole
It is beyond laughable that you are are saying I am using hyperbole. You make excuses for VY when he plays poorly and give him all the credit when the team wins. You cherry pick stats to suit your argument. I am looking at the whole picture. I am giving him credit for maturing and finally playing up to his potential, your comments about the defense not being much better the last 5 games from the 5 before that is hysterical.
This post was edited on 12/1/09 at 8:34 am
Posted on 12/1/09 at 10:35 am to H-Town Tiger
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H-Town Tiger
There is absolutely no point to this arguement. The same shite ya'll are typing makes Houston sports radio unlistenable for months at a time.
Vince "haters" don't hate Vince, in fact most give him the credit he deserves. Vince "haters" hate the Vince fanboys. The "winner since HS", full credit for wins no blame for losses segment of the Houston and UT population that was created the second he danced into the endzone against USC.
"He's better than Tebow, Flutie, and Stauback combined as a college quarterback"
"His presence on the field makes Chris Johson run harder"
"Jeff Fisher fabricated his troubles so he could play Kerry Collins"
I have heard all of these statements just in the past two weeks. Rational thought went out the window long ago. The obsession is slightly disturbing. FWIW, I am NOT a Horn hater. They pay me a comfortable salary, and I cheer anytime the other team isn't in P&G.
Posted on 12/1/09 at 11:30 am to Ron Mexico
He still thinks everyone on the field is wearing a Texas uniform....the effect will wear off soon, and he'll get back to being himself soon... 
Posted on 12/1/09 at 11:32 am to Wildcat
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He still thinks everyone on the field is wearing a Texas uniform....the effect will wear off soon, and he'll get back to being himself soon...
a proven winner?
9-0 in his last 9 NFL starts..what more do you want?
he drove 99 yards and threw the winning td with what supporting cast? kenny britt? lavelle hawkins?
Posted on 12/1/09 at 11:41 am to List Eater
Vince 
Posted on 12/1/09 at 12:48 pm to List Eater
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9-0 in his last 9 NFL starts..what more do you want?
Honesty. He has only won his last 6 starts, the first of those was played in Sept of 2008. He played so well, the fans booed him and he cried about and didn't want to go back in the game.
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