re: official VINCE YOUNG is a GOD thread

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This is a team stat and I await an explanation from any Teasip/VY fan boy as to how VY has improve the Titans D from 33 ppg to 18 ppg?

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LOL.... It's called time of possession. The Titans were averaging 25 minutes TOP. Right now they are sitting at about 32 minutes TOP. That gives the other team less drives, and keeps your defense fresh.

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Vince had a great game today, the first 4 he has been a good game manager. He has shown poise and good decision making that he really didn't before, especially after he melted down because he got booed for playing bad in the first game last year. It should seen obvious that riding the bench last year was beneficial.

[quote]To give him all the credit for the turn around of a team that started horribly, but was after all 13-3 last year, is bad enough, but to think that his magic powers of "winning" would transfer to another team, with coach, defense and running game all substantially worse than what Tennessee has is just mind blowing. Vince is in a good spot. In Houston he would not be winning at least not any more the Schaub.

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You need to learn that when evaluating QBs, you should look at what they do with opportunities to win games. There are a lot of QBs who have decent stats, but can't seem to win games when they matter. The kid performs in the clutch.

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is that just because of the offense or because the defense is now making stops and not letting the other team drive the field? Maybe a little of both, but clearly the D is playing better that has nothing to do with the QB and 5-0 since the bye is the team stat i was referring to.

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You should know this but....... When you are running the football as well as they are, you grind a lot of clock. That leaves less opportunities for your defense to get shredded. If you grind 10 minutes more in a game then you did the last game, it's like taking a whole quarter of play away from the other team.

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Now, how does VY change either of those plays if he was with Houston?

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Schaub threw two interceptions on the last two drives to lose that game. The score was 21-20 late when he threw the first one. They still had a chance to tie, and he threw another one. If Young is in there, he doesn't do that. He has never thrown an INT to lose a game in college or the pros. He usually plays big in those moments.

Everyone here is missing what REALLY happened with Young. He was playing well in 2006, his rookie season.

Then the Titans organization decided to let go of every decent skill player they had.

In 2007 here are the Titans skill players that were left after the fire sale, and where they are since that year.......

Eric Moulds......out of the league
Ben Troupe.......out of the league
Roydell Williams..Hasn't caught a pass since 2007
Brandon Jones....third string for the 49ers
Lendale White....second string as of 2008, and barely getting any carries this year.

We should have expected Young to struggle when this happened, but instead people blamed him when the offense sputtered. Although he has an unorthodox throwing motion, he was a good passer in college, throwing for over 3000 yards at 65% his last year. He had a 163 efficiency rating, and it went up even higher when you just take the games he played vs the good teams. Along with the ridiculous runs vs USC, he was also something stupid like 75% passing for 267 yards too! There was no reason to believe that he wouldn't develop into a good passer at the next level. He threw at a 62.3% clip in 2007. His only problem was trying to hard, and turning the ball over. It was never accuracy. That is just a myth that follows all QBs like him.

The guy just needed some help, something he didn't have in 2007, his last go-round. They left him with a bunch of NFL rejects, and a overweight back that could barely get 3 yards a carry, yet they managed to still go 10-6.

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id take him on my team ANY DAY

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Over Romo? Of Course.

Vince Young will be back in the gutter soon enough.

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Some guys are just winners, and find a way in the clutch to come through.

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In other words I can't quantify it and want to give credit/blame to one player and ignore the contributions/failings of the other 21 starters.

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VY was 10-6 with a playoff appearance in 2007. They just didn't have the firepower that year.

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Interesting that when they win is Vince, when they lose or he sucks, like he did in 2007, its because they didn't have the fire power. Seems like you realize it takes a team, but only when its convenient for your argument.

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Now he is 5-0 this season, and their defense has been terrible all year, but only marginally better lately

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The first 6 games they gave up 33 ppg, the last 5, 18.2 ppg (17 in each of the last games). That a difference of 15 ppg, or more than 2 TD's. That's not marginally better, that's enormously better.

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At some point you just have to quit blaming everything else for their success. All those pieces were here before he was, and they were 0-6.

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Yep you're right its all Vince, he has made the D give up 2 FEWER td's a game, but, 2 TD's a game, that's not that much right? Its not like they were 13-3 last year with him on the bench or anything.

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he was total shite when he was benched and deserved to be benched when he was. It would seem sitting on the bench all this time has been good for his confidence though, lets see if he can sustain it.

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Why does every other young QB in the NFL get a shot to work through their tough times except for Vince? The Titans organization took a giant crap on Vince and they don't deserve this amazing run of wins he is putting together. I still hope he gets the hell out of there and leas another team to a superbowl.

As for seeing seeing if VY can "sustain it", he has won 9 starts in a row. Sweet dandy Zeus, that isn't sustaining it?!? I think Vince could spread his legs at the 50 yard line and give birth to a 50 ft talking unicorn out of his arse and some of you still wouldn't be impressed.

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Why does every other young QB in the NFL get a shot to work through their tough times except for Vince?

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Vince got to suck for 3 years and the Titans won in spite of him. When he acted like a child because fans reacted negatively to his suckage he got benched. The Titans did the right thing for their team and maybe for Vince. He's going to get the rest of this season and all of next to prove he's the guy. I don't see where he's been wronged or treated unfairly.

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Oh I see, when they win and Vince plays well, its because he's a "winner". When he struggles its because the team around him is not that good. Interesting.

Outside of Travis Henry, who in 2006 was 28 and didn't do anything after he left Tenn, I don't see any amazing skill players they let go, their leading WR in 06, Drew Bennett had 730 yds rec was also 28, and also hasn't done anything since leaving. What other studs were sent packing in this fire sale?

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Htown Tiger.......

The difference between Roydell Williams/Brandon Jones is that they have NEVER been any good in the NFL. Bennett might have run his course, but he proved for quite a few years he can play in this league.
Young didn't struggle any more than any QB in their second year struggles.

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Tebow has had 2 better passing seasons against overall much better competition. He is not considered a good pro prospect.

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bullshite! You put together Young's games vs USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, the big12 CG, and the other game vs CU that year who was ranked and here is what you get...........

101-142 1307yards 70%comp 10tds 3ints

The guy played big in big games, even with his arm. He was 75% passing vs USC's defense. Only people who watched sportscenter and saw only highlights of him running thought he couldn't throw. Ask CU, who he torched 24-29 for 336 yards.

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Oh he was trying too hard. 9 TDs 17 INTs is horrible and to win over the long tern in the NFL, you can not post stats like that. In 2007 they Titans went 10-6 in spite of, not because of Vince. They were better the following year with Collins.

And no one is arguing he's inaccurate, being accurate doesn't make one a good QB. In 2006, David Carr completed 68% of his passes. He was not a good QB. The Texans cut him and he's been nothing but a back=up since then.

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Being patient is something you grow into in the NFL. It is a learning curve that all QBs go through. Ask Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez about that. Yet you think Young should be above what EVERY young QB goes through? And I'm the one that should be laughed at?

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yes, they were 10-6 because of Vince, and not the #5 defense. and btw White had over 1100 yds and avg 3.7 (not good) but 1000 yds is productive. Also VY was 9-6 that year, he was hurt 1 game (at Houston) and Collins won.

It is interesting that they went 13-3 last year and added Chris Johnson, who is blowing up this year as well. Amazing, they have better players at other positions and they win, not just because of the QB

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If a 3.7 yard per carry back has 1100 yards, it just means that he had the ball handed to him over 300 times. An offense needs explosive plays to be productive. You aren't going to do anything if you have to manufacture 15 play drives every time. The problem with the 2007 team is that they had no players who could get you big yards. LW had on run over 20 yards, and it was only 28 and not a TD. You are asking a QB a lot if you think he is supposed to win with that kind of production from his skill players.

Then comes CJ, who brought the explosiveness to the offense, only Young never got to play with him. No surprise Collins went 13-3, while throwing only 12 TD passes. Who is to say Young couldn't do that? He was winning the game he got hurt in to start the season.

You are seeing what Young can do. It didn't just happen, he always had that ability. He just needed a little time, and a little help around him. He is finally getting that, and the difference shows.

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id take him on my team ANY DAY

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Over who?

Brees
Orton
Roth
Manning
Manning
Rivers
Cutler
Favre
Brady