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re: Official Tim Tebow Workout Thread (Scout grades on page 6)
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:22 am to dnm3305
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:22 am to dnm3305
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Ohhhh, and you conveniently leave out that whopping fricking 70 in the hit tool huh? Maybe that has something to do with it? Hmmmmm.
This is irrelevant since no one is saying they expect tebow to be anything more than a fringe major league guy. The point was that a lot of major league players grade in the 40s in one or multiple attributes.
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Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:23 am to CaptainBrannigan
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So now baseball is his "passion" after failing in football.
No it's not. "Being a QB and leading 10 other guys and hitting a baseball" are his passions. Not loving the game of football or loving the game of baseball and all of the great nuances, quirks, and beauty it brings. It makes sense, literally the only thing he does well is hit a baseball far and lead teams on the football field. He's terrible at all of the other technical aspects of anything to do with either of these sports. As a QB, you throw the football, and he was absolutely terrible at it.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:24 am to lsupride87
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you conveniently leave out that whopping fricking 70 in the hit tool huh? Maybe that has something to do with it? Hmmmmm.
One scout graded Tebow an 80 in power.
Go shave the neckbeard
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:25 am to dnm3305
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dnm3305
Let the hate flow through you. Why knock a guy for just giving it his all and giving it a shot? Your post has a hint of jealousy to it.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:35 am to lsupride87
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One scout graded Tebow an 80 in power.
when you grade out at 35 hit, 80 power doesn't matter a whole lot. It's a nice attribute to have because it will get someone to give him an shot, but he's got A LOT to work on as a hitter. as it stands now, his power is neutralized by the fact he can't hit
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 10:35 am
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:37 am to lsufball19
He went 8-19 against live pitching.....
To say he can't hit is extreme hyperbole. His low grade is due to his stiffness, a lot of the scouts said he hit a lot better than they expected after his BP
To say he can't hit is extreme hyperbole. His low grade is due to his stiffness, a lot of the scouts said he hit a lot better than they expected after his BP
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 10:38 am
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:37 am to lsufball19
I hear hitting is important in baseball.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:37 am to lsupride87
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One scout graded Tebow an 80 in power.
What are you going to do with an 80 power tool with a 35 hit tool?
And you are comical in thinking that there is any jealousy in me with Tebow. I think he's a schmuck and is clueless, but he has every right to go for it if it's his dream. It's annoying in the sense that it will be drooled over by ESPN because of guys like you, just like the Kaepernick thing that is getting incredibly annoying media attention. The only reason Im even in this thread is to debate with the morons that think "Tebow brah, 80 power....see he can play in the majors!" You make a comparison to Seager saying that it's common for players to have below average grades at 2/5 positions because youre trying to justify your stance on Tebow in that since he's a 1/5 to 2/5 at best type player, they are one in the same. Seager is an 80 hit tool. What about Buxton who graded out as 70,60,80,70,70 in the no.2 spot? About as high of a graded prospect as you can get and he just got sent back down to AAA this season after hitting .193 with Twins this year with a 70 hit tool. Yet Tebow is a fringe MLB guy with a 35 hit tool because he has big power and does everything else below average.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:37 am to lsupride87
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How is the neckbeard working out for you?
He also went 8-19 against live pitching yesterday with 2 balls hit off the wall and a walk...
He also graded above average on 2/5 compared to MAJOR LEAGUE PLAYERS
He had a great tryout. Stop being an idiot and admit it
hes also 29 and a waste of time
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:37 am to lsufball19
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but he's got A LOT to work on as a hitter.
What an amazing scout you must be. Are there people saying he doesn't need a lot of work? frick some of yall are dense.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:39 am to The Ostrich
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hes also 29 and a waste of time
More goalpost moving.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:39 am to lsufball19
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when you grade out at 35 hit, 80 power doesn't matter a whole lot. It's a nice attribute to have because it will get someone to give him an shot, but he's got A LOT to work on as a hitter. as it stands now, his power is neutralized by the fact he can't hit
You're absolutely right. That write up from the scout was spot on. The dude has saw raw talent that could potentially get him to the big leagues. Power is why he would make it. Now it's hit or miss whether he can become a decent enough hitter to contribute at that level.
So I don't understand why it's so outrageous to suggest he could potentially play a few years. There are power hitters in the big leagues that have made careers on hitting fastballs and mistakes very far. Chris Carter of the Brewers comes to mind. That guy probably plays a decent first, but he's in the big leagues for his power. The dude has a career .218 avg, but he has 139 career homeruns.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:41 am to JasonMason
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Let the hate flow through you. Why knock a guy for just giving it his all and giving it a shot?
Im not, Im actually rooting for Tebow. I don't think Tebow is a bad guy and I honestly think he's doing this because he truly believes he has a shot. He's playing with house money anyway so why not?
Im just calling out the idiots in here that think it's a given that he has what it takes to make it to MLB and no one should say anything to the contrary. Well, that's bullshite. Tebow looked pretty stiff and bad in his workout yesterday, yet there are some in here claiming that was a major league worthy workout. It's ridiculous.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:41 am to dnm3305
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And you are comical in thinking that there is any jealousy in me with Tebow. I think he's a schmuck and is clueless, but he has every right to go for it if it's his dream. It's annoying in the sense that it will be drooled over by ESPN because of guys like you, just like the Kaepernick thing that is getting incredibly annoying media attention. The only reason Im even in this thread is to debate with the morons that think "Tebow brah, 80 power....see he can play in the majors!" You make a comparison to Seager saying that it's common for players to have below average grades at 2/5 positions because youre trying to justify your stance on Tebow in that since he's a 1/5 to 2/5 at best type player, they are one in the same. Seager is an 80 hit tool. What about Buxton who graded out as 70,60,80,70,70 in the no.2 spot? About as high of a graded prospect as you can get and he just got sent back down to AAA this season after hitting .193 with Twins this year with a 70 hit tool. Yet Tebow is a fringe MLB guy with a 35 hit tool because he has big power and does everything else below average.
You're not even really making a compelling argument. On the one hand you're holding up scout ratings to diminish Tebow's chances, but then by the end of your argument you're basically saying the scouts are wrong because they got it wrong with Buxton.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:41 am to lsupride87
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He went 8-19 against live pitching.....
To say he can't hit is extreme hyperbole. His low grade is due to his stiffness, a lot of the scouts said he hit a lot better than they expected after his BP
he was graded as a below average hitter. 8/19 against the pitching he saw is not transferable to being able to hit against minor league pitching at that same clip. Scouts also said he has major mechanical issues in his swing that need to be addressed. And hitting better than expected and still grading out at below average means they expected him to be downright awful.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:42 am to dnm3305
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The only reason Im even in this thread is to debate with the morons that think "Tebow brah, 80 power....see he can play in the majors!" Y
There has been at least 1 scout that has said he could play in the majors. Just shut up
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:43 am to dnm3305
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Im just calling out the idiots in here that think it's a given that he has what it takes to make it to MLB and no one should say anything to the contrary.
I haven't seen anyone make this argument. The closest I've seen is someone suggesting they wouldn't be surprised if he played in the MLB a few years.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:43 am to lsufball19
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he was graded as a below average hitter.
After not playing competitively for a decade.
quote:No one said it was.
/19 against the pitching he saw is not transferable to being able to hit against minor league pitching at that same clip.
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And hitting better than expected and still grading out at below average means they expected him to be downright awful.
And yet several are talking about signing him.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:44 am to The Ostrich
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hes also 29 and a waste of time
this would be concern of mine as well. In a best case scenario, Tebow has 2-3 years before he'd be ready for the majors. Is it really worth the time to spend on a guy that, at best, may be ready for the majors when he's 32 years old? Most guys are simply released if they haven't reached their potential at an age even younger than Tebow. Which makes me think this would be nothing more than a publicity stunt for the team that ends up signing him
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:46 am to dnm3305
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What are you going to do with an 80 power tool with a 35 hit tool?
Well the Rangers top prospect Joey Gallo is probably right around there in the hit numbers and he's a top 10, top 20 prospect in the league depending on where you look.
Plenty of teams have do-or-die hitters now days:
Mark Reynolds, Mark Trumbo, Chris Carter, Pedro Alvarez, BJ Upton to name a few.
If you can hit the ball deep you're going to be an asset to any team.
The fact that you aren't just amazed at the physical feat he's accomplished is beyond me. You're hate, for whatever reason, is pretty unwarranted. Don't want to see it on tv? Then don't watch the channels.
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