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re: OBJ "outing campaign"
Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:05 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:05 am to Roger Klarvin
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being gay in a professional men's locker room is the hardest of all. He has EVERY reason to hide it.
ISWYDT.
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Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:06 am to skullhawk
Was she a gymnast?
Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:14 am to Ed Osteen
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the fact that the sexual orientation of a precessional athlete is a story baffles me
C'mon now, even if it doesn't matter to you, if the face of Madden comes out then it would be a big story. Certainly you'd understand that there are many other people who would care and/or are entertained by this sort of gossip, right?
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a precessional athlete
, what an interesting autocorrect. A precessional athlete is a person, usually black, who excels at all forms of precessions. It should be reserved for those who can seamlessly change from a pallbearer to a groomsman to a second line if the situation presents itself. Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:15 am to lsufball19
I meant that as in it shouldn't even be a story or newsworthy. I was also referring to my view on the situation and not whatever is considerednewsworthy. I can tell a word I used annoyed you so I'll rephrase. It baffles me that a professional athlete being gay would be considered "one of or the biggest sports stories of the year"
Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:19 am to sorantable
This is stupid.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:22 am to SirWinston
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Actually, the NBA started this trend and stars like Westbrook, D Wade, CP, Blake, even LeBron and Kobe have been clean cut and "nerdy/cool" for quite a while.
NBA has been non-thuggish for FAR longer than NFL and its players (and David Stern, ultimately) deserve a TON of credit.
When Jarvis Crittendon & Gilbert Arenas pulled guns on one another in a NBA arena were they dressed NBA 'dress code nice'? When Crittendon killed the woman in Atlanta?
OJ Simpson dressed nicley / wore suits & was wearing expensive Italian made Bruno Magli shoes when he allegedly tracked through his 2 victims blood.
David Stern created a dress code so as not to alienate his bigoted / gullible White fan base.
It's a marketing ploy & it seems to have worked on many White fans .
You are what you are no matter how you dress. I don't recall ' thug' dressed players like Iverson ,Rip Hamilton ,Melo or others killing anyone.
NBA players were mostly good guys for decades before any dress code.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:27 am to lsufball19
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most kids from newman would not act like odell beckham either, just saying. they'd be more likely to be caught at the checkout line at brooks brothers than doing the whip after scoring a touchdown
If only there were current NFL players that went to Newman and fit the traditional Newman demographic to a T to illustrate this point. If only, if only...
Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:31 am to sugar71
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You are what you are no matter how you dress. I don't recall ' thug' dressed players like Iverson ,Rip Hamilton ,Melo or others killing anyone.
NBA players were mostly good guys for decades before any dress code.
Image problems are half the battle. There are/were plenty of good people who dressed like thugs, but getting away from that culture is a net positive for the NBA and its fans.
Also, I've never seen a gang leader dressed like this in my life:
Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:33 am to 632627
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kobe dresses professionally/conservative; like a businessman. Same as Jordan did.
What was Kobe wearing when he had that young lady bent over the chair in his hotel room trying to go in dry? Naked so the NBA dress code does not count?
Michael Jordan actually wore his ' thug' gold chains/ ropes on the court for the early part of his career.
Dress code wasnt to make ' role models' out of young NBA players ,but to assuage the prejudices of White NBA( or potential) fans .
Listening to the gullible comments here about them being ' role models' because of the way they dress proves Stern knew the pulse of his fans( or potential ones).
Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:40 am to slackster
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Image problems are half the battle. There are/were plenty of good people who dressed like thugs, but getting away from that culture is a net positive for the NBA and its fans.
Also, I've never seen a gang leader dressed like this in my life:
A net positive for the NBA which did not want to alienate fans bigoted like yourself who make shallow judgements of young Black men based upon appearances.
OJ Simpson dressed far better than thoes guys with his Bruno Magli shoes.
Crittendon & Gibert Arenas were dressed similiarly when they pulled the guns on one another.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:25 am to sugar71
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A net positive for the NBA which did not want to alienate fans bigoted like yourself who make shallow judgements of young Black men based upon appearances.
Huh? You can deny it all you want, but that type of dress is associated with a more violent culture. Any moves the NBA has made that separates its product from that culture is good for the game, at the very least from a business standpoint. I'm fully aware that there are exceptions to both groups, and a guy dressed like a thug can be a great human while a guy dressed in the modern NBA attire can be a violent criminal.
Perhaps I'm overvaluing the impact of someone's style, but I think you're severely undervaluing that impact.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:23 am to Yellerhammer5
Hundreds of better examples in the NFL alone? Really?
Let's say hundreds is at least 300.. Go ahead and start listing them. I'm betting you can't get to 20 who are better examples of what hendo is talking about.
Let's say hundreds is at least 300.. Go ahead and start listing them. I'm betting you can't get to 20 who are better examples of what hendo is talking about.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:26 am to sugar71
I don't think you are completely wrong. But the dress code did allow black men to begin expressing themselves in a way that was more or less looked down on by the black community not too long ago. And it opened up endorsement deals for them that didn't exist before.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:37 am to sugar71
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A net positive for the NBA which did not want to alienate fans bigoted like yourself who make shallow judgements of young Black men based upon appearances.
So only bigoted people make early, shallow judgments based on appearances? And they only do that with black folks?
Considering that, it's weird that 95% of employers have a uniformly applied dress code.
Why should it matter if all the employees aren't black, since they are the only ones judged by their appearance?
Or maybe, just maybe, appearance impacts business across all industries, and management responds in kind. How dare Stearn (who I despise) have the audacity to consider the success and perception of his business when creating policy? That's just crazy! Why not let EMPLOYEES where whatever the hell they want? Make the market adjust to them? That sounds like a solid business decision.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 11:39 am
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:38 am to MSMHater
who cares if he is gay or not, people need to get over themselves
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:43 am to RedRifle
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Actually, rehab projects go I'll take Vick over beckham.
Well ya, one actually had something he needed to rehab from. The other doesn't
Posted on 1/19/16 at 2:06 pm to MSMHater
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So only bigoted people make early, shallow judgments based on appearances? And they only do that with black folks?
Considering that, it's weird that 95% of employers have a uniformly applied dress code.
Why should it matter if all the employees aren't black, since they are the only ones judged by their appearance?
No because it was the bigoted potential fans/ sponsors who Stern/ decided to appeal to.
Straight Out Of Compton sold over $200 million dollars worth of tickets at the Box Office.
' Thigs' like Ice Cube ( countless other Rappers ) probably advertised & sold more Pro sports apparel than any segment of the population.
It's incalculable how much Raiders, Dodgers , Lakers ,etc gear they sold & along with other Hip Hop artists ' thugs' sold.
But at the end of the day it's Whites who buy the season tickets & the Madison Ave Sponsors making judgments .
The League wanted to appease this segment of the fan base & obviously if you wear Itlain Bruno Magli shoes you are a ' role model' !Ike O.J.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 2:19 pm to Xenophon
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I don't think you are completely wrong. But the dress code did allow black men to begin expressing themselves in a way that was more or less looked down on by the black community not too long ago. And it opened up endorsement deals for them that didn't exist before.
Not wrong at all & NBA ' thugs' like Tim Duncan agree with me when he was the most vocal opponent of the one size fits all NBA dress code.
Duncan ,Vince Carter & many other players agreed that Rip Hamilton( nice guy) & Iverson wearing ' doo rags' & gold chains at after game press conferences & court side was a bit much. They understood stopping that.
But to tell the simple dressed Duncan that he can no longer wear his Jeans & Spurs sweatshirt / Tee because he's collectively judged as a ' thug' by a certain segment of the fan base?
What type of dress was looked down upon in the Black Community ,pray tell? Metro Sexuals?
Sort of like the harmless Prince , Michael Jackson or Little Richard ? Whites seem to like metro sexual/ seemingly non threatening Black men too by the posts here.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 2:28 pm to slackster
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Huh? You can deny it all you want, but that type of dress is associated with a more violent culture. Any moves the NBA has made that separates its product from that culture is good for the game, at the very least from a business standpoint. I'm fully aware that there are exceptions to both groups, and a guy dressed like a thug can be a great human while a guy dressed in the modern NBA attire can be a violent criminal.
But Rappers ' thugs' perhaps freely advertising more Pro sports apparel than any other segment of the population meant nothing?
Good policy in that it placates Whites ( Madison Avenue & Season ticket holders. $$$$$$) ,but doesn't make anyone a better ' role model' or person.
PAC Man Jones can dress like a metro Sexual ,but I don't see what that changes.
The League' s Golden Age was before the dress code was implemented & guys wore Jeans ,sweats ,etc( however they wished ).....to the games / court side.
You're just strengthening my position as to why & whom this dress code was implemented.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 2:38 pm to sugar71
Rappers are walking advertisers and they do it for free. As much as corporate America hates thug culture, they love the free advertisement they get from it. I remember in Tupac's Brenda's Got A Baby video when he wore the UNLV skull cap and starter jacket. Kids at my school were going nuts over that shite. I mean Nike makes over billion dollars annually from the sell of Jordans.
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