re: "Nick Saban to Atlanta RB: You can’t sign with Alabama until next year"

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Well, what saban has told the kid is not legal (arranging a job for him this year, and signing a contract that basically would amount to an early signing period, since it seems to be implied the scholly offer is binding on both parties, hence the need for the signatures on a document).

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You are the only person that can't see that you want this to be an infraction so bad it's pathetic. But it's not. The NCAA bylaw quoted earlier proves this. I know you probably have the biggest hardon you have had since that time you saw your mom naked with the garbage man, but it's not gonna change the fact that all of this is legit.

Deal with it.

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Two problems with the oversigning part of the "wait listed" - ignorance and ego.

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I completely agree with everything you say about ignorance and ego. Pretty much a common trait of most 17-18 year olds period.


However, and this goes far beyond football recruiting, I'm simply opposed to laws and rules that are designed to "protect people from themselves" by limiting their freedom of individual choice.

I completely see the argument against it from a level playing field standpoint; I'm just not convinced that we need more rules which inhibit choice to do this.

If the player sits out a year then ends up at Georgia Southern or goes to Alabama and ends up transferring to Troy is his life really as ruined as some posters here are making it seem? Maybe he'll learn more quickly that he needs to concentrate on a career option more viable than playing in the NFL.

Who knows? I'm just not convinced that he's more a victim than anyone else in any sector of our society that also has to learn that a vast majority of people may not be looking out for his own best interests.

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However, and this goes far beyond football recruiting, I'm simply opposed to laws and rules that are designed to "protect people from themselves" by limiting their freedom of individual choice.

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As am I. I hate them. I have railed against them for a very long time.

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I completely see the argument against it from a level playing field standpoint; I'm just not convinced that we need more rules which inhibit choice to do this.

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I am not as concerned about leveling the playing field. My arguement has always been one of everybody does it or no one does it. Don't make rules that are easily circumvented and practically unenforcable.

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If the player sits out a year then ends up at Georgia Southern or goes to Alabama and ends up transferring to Troy is his life really as ruined as some posters here are making it seem? Maybe he'll learn more quickly that he needs to concentrate on a career option more viable than playing in the NFL.

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Agree. The players get what they deserve based on the decisions they make. Some it will help (those that make good on an opportunity at another school after transfering), some it will hurt. I have always been one that believe you are responsible for your decisions whether you are 18 or 35 and you live with them.

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Who knows? I'm just not convinced that he's more a victim than anyone else in any sector of our society that also has to learn that a vast majority of people may not be looking out for his own best interests.

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He is not a victim at all and I do not feel sorry for him.

Ok, sot his kid isn't good/valuable enough to make the 25 this year. He's the odd man out. He says that next year he's being promised that he'll be good/valuable enough to be in the 25 and Nick Saban is willing to put it in writing.

The problem is that Nick Saban can't sign anything that is binding to that effect since that would be an NCAA violation. The only binding document is the LOI and he can't give one out for next year until next February.

Finally, if the kid enrolls early to participate in spring practice he still cannot be on scholarship until the following fall because an early enrollee would count against the previous year's (2012) class which Nick Saban has already indicated to him as full.

BTW, what happens to the current 25th player if Nick Saban is able to flip Jameis Winston to Alabama?

I would bet the farm that he has a spot reserved for Winston

But if not...

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what happens to the current 25th player if Nick Saban is able to flip Jameis Winston to Alabama?

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I hear Terry Bowden is working wonders at UNA.

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A lawyer will take words and tell you to stick context up your fricking arse and rip it to shreds.

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And I will tear any attorney a new arse that trys to do this.

Look gump, you are bringing a knife to a gun fight with me in this discussion. You need to just STFU and move on. You were wrong to begin with and just because you are too stupid to understand an exceedingly SIMPLE bylaw does not mean you really need to keep on just to prove how damn stupid you are.

I just think its hilarious how every year someone has to start yelling about Alabama and try to pin violations or unethical behavior on us and it's just pitiful that they can't accept the fact that regardless of whether they want it to be true or not, Alabama is right back where they have always been historically and we aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

Guys, here is the full bylaw. Context is critical. Laws are arranged in code sections for a reason. Beacause the provisions of sentences and paragraphs in a given section pertain to a common subject. Hence frickING GD CONTEXT.

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Here are the rules regarding employment of a prospect:



13.2.3.2 Prior to Completion of Senior Year—Athletics Award Winners. An institution may employ

a prospective student-athlete who is an athletics award winner in any department outside of intercollegiate athletics,

provided the employment is arranged through normal institutional employment procedures (e.g., local

newspaper, bulletin board listings) and without the intervention of any member of the institution’s coaching

staff. Any compensation received by the prospective student-athlete must be for work actually performed and

commensurate with the going rate for such services in the locale. For purposes of this bylaw, institutional recreation

programs, even if reporting to the athletics director, may be considered outside the intercollegiate athletics

department. An institution may hire a prospective student-athlete, who is an athletics award winner, in its

recreation programs, only if recreation and facility managers and no intercollegiate coaches are involved with the

hiring and supervision of these employees. (Adopted: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04)

13.2.3.3 After Completion of Senior Year. An institution may arrange for employment or employ any prospective

student-athlete (regardless of athletics award winner status), provided the employment does not begin

prior to the completion of the prospective student-athlete’s senior year in high school. (See Bylaw 13.12.1.5.1.)

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Context, context, context.

This ENTIRE fricking bylaw is an anti-abuse provision period. The entire reason for it's existance is to prevent schools from employing student athletes in athletic departments where they can easily manipulate variables like hours, pay, etc.

This ANTI-ABUSE provision is not written to give a school free reign to go and fricking arrange a job for a student-athlete as the goddamn chairman of IBM and pay him $10k and hour.

Use some common sense. Interpretted as you morons claim, this by-law tells a school they can "arrange" employment with whoever the frick they want.

How about this for a sales pitch from AU to a recruit: "Come to Auburn. The CEO of apple is an Auburn alum. According to the NCAA we can arrange employment with whoever the hell we want with salaries commensurate with the going rate for that type of job. Congratulations, you will be a VP of Apple where the going rate is $200k per year!! Since lots of VPs just play golf and don't really work much, we will include a membership at the Robert Trent Jones course in AU for you as well! War Eagle and congrats Mr. New Apple VP!"

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An institution may arrange for employment or employ

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If the rules are the same for people who have graduated HS, and for those that haven't (as you claim) why the need for the new clause? The rule clearly states that the University may arrange for jobs outside of the institution.

There is another NCAA rule dealing with the requirements for this job. It has to be available to the general public, and you must preform the job. VP of apple isn't available to the general public.