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Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:30 am to VolsOut4Harambe
Per the details it sounds like it's really just a 3 year deal worth 53 mil.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:43 am to Roll Tide Ravens
So what are the Browns going to do now at qb? Such a weird and awkward situation they’ve created.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 11:00 am to lob1284
I don’t think they are going to lose a ton of sleep if this ends up forcing them to trade Baker and going with another Vet and or a draft pick
Seems pretty clear that, while they aren’t trying to dump him for nothing, they arent exactly sold on him as the future and are exploring every avenue possible to upgrade
The more obvious resolution would be to trade him to the Colts and then trade for Jimmy G. But I also could see a splashier move where the Browns trade him and some high draft picks for Derek Carr. There were a lot of rumors that the Pats were doing everything they could to move up to draft Mayfield that draft (before he was shaping up as the number 1 overall guy) so I could see McDaniels being interested in taking that shot. Then again the pats also looked at Carr last year before the draft so they could be happy to stand pat and pay him
Seems pretty clear that, while they aren’t trying to dump him for nothing, they arent exactly sold on him as the future and are exploring every avenue possible to upgrade
The more obvious resolution would be to trade him to the Colts and then trade for Jimmy G. But I also could see a splashier move where the Browns trade him and some high draft picks for Derek Carr. There were a lot of rumors that the Pats were doing everything they could to move up to draft Mayfield that draft (before he was shaping up as the number 1 overall guy) so I could see McDaniels being interested in taking that shot. Then again the pats also looked at Carr last year before the draft so they could be happy to stand pat and pay him
Posted on 3/17/22 at 11:03 am to LooseCannon22282
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That's funny, I've been told on here multiple times that the Saints are in cap hell
Are you really ignorant to the consequences of what they are doing?
Posted on 3/17/22 at 11:22 am to Van Wilder
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Are you really ignorant to the consequences of what they are doing?
Please explain. What are the consequences?
Posted on 3/17/22 at 11:29 am to Fgiord
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Please explain. What are the consequences?
They have massive cap hits for aging and/or average players moving forward. They have been fortunate so far that their older players are playing well. If/ when they fall off the Saints are totally screwed.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 11:34 am to Van Wilder
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They have massive cap hits for aging and/or average players moving forward. They have been fortunate so far that their older players are playing well. If/ when they fall off the Saints are totally screwed.
They are pushing money towards future years
The salary cap will go up in future years
It’s not about the dollar amount. It’s about the % of the cap.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 11:40 am to Van Wilder
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They have massive cap hits for aging and/or average players moving forward. They have been fortunate so far that their older players are playing well. If/ when they fall off the Saints are totally screwed.
People have been saying the saints are totally screwed regarding the cap for over a decade. Yet here we are. It’s not like there won’t be more contracts to convert in a few years.
This post was edited on 3/17/22 at 11:42 am
Posted on 3/17/22 at 12:01 pm to St Augustine
Pretending they haven’t felt the effects of this already is odd. They lost Hendrickson last year, Williams this year, and will lose Armstead. This doesn’t include the depth they will lose over the coming years. Plus they are already projected to be well over the cap next year, which accounts for the expected increase in the cap.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 12:06 pm to Van Wilder
Plenty of teams with a ton of cap space that lose FAs to other teams. The cap did not prevent them from signing those players.
If they lose Armstead this offseason, it won’t be due to the cap. They have 30 mil in space right now before the Watson trade if that happens. They’ll have chosen the value of getting Watson over the value of retaining Armstead.
If they lose Armstead this offseason, it won’t be due to the cap. They have 30 mil in space right now before the Watson trade if that happens. They’ll have chosen the value of getting Watson over the value of retaining Armstead.
This post was edited on 3/17/22 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 3/17/22 at 12:14 pm to wildtigercat93
Kyle Pitts may have let the cat out of the bag re: Watson to Atlanta. "Things about to get scary in Atlanta".
We will see soon I imagine.
We will see soon I imagine.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 12:17 pm to Fun Bunch
The fact that the falcons are so in this, despite not really making a ton of sense on paper, feels like the biggest indication that he’s going to the falcons.
If he does go there it’s going to feel like it was super obvious in hindsight, given he met every team in Houston but went to Atlanta to meet with them, reportedly he reached out to them, etc.
But who knows really, all that could be fluff
If he does go there it’s going to feel like it was super obvious in hindsight, given he met every team in Houston but went to Atlanta to meet with them, reportedly he reached out to them, etc.
But who knows really, all that could be fluff
Posted on 3/17/22 at 12:19 pm to wildtigercat93
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Plenty of teams with a ton of cap space that lose FAs to other teams. The cap did not prevent them from signing those players. If they lose Armstead this offseason, it won’t be due to the cap. They have 30 mil in space right now before the Watson trade if that happens. They’ll have chosen the value of getting Watson over the value of retaining Armstead.
Huh? Of course the cap played a factor in them not re-signing those players. Could they have still re-signed them? Yes, but they are trying to navigate a rough situation.
Re-signing Armstead would be stupid at this point. They needed to do something before his contract voided
Posted on 3/17/22 at 12:23 pm to St Augustine
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Yet here we are. It’s not like there won’t be more contracts to convert in a few years.
You don’t even have a QB and are over the cap.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 12:26 pm to Van Wilder
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uh? Of course the cap played a factor in them not re-signing those players. Could they have still re-signed them? Yes, but they are trying to navigate a rough situation.
If you’re agreeing that they couldve resigned those players then what exactly is your argument? Clearly the cap was not the issue in resigning those players if they had the ability to resign those players but ultimately chose not to match the open market price
Again plenty of teams with tons of cap space lose free agents in the offseason. Doesn’t mean the cap prevented them from resigning those players, simply they did not feel the value of the player matched the highest offer on the market, or felt good about in-house or potential replacements in the market (or simply the player did not want to resign)
There is a cost to these deals, but it isn’t a massive cost that’s going to hamstring a team until the teams owner decides they are tired of paying out of pocket to free up more space
This post was edited on 3/17/22 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 3/17/22 at 12:28 pm to bad93ex
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You don’t even have a QB and are over the cap.
Saints currently have 29.9 mil in cap space
ETA I think the reason people have a tough time accepting this concept, is because it ultimately begs the question of why your favorite team isn’t also maneuvering the cap in this way, even at a lesser level than what the saints are doing
This post was edited on 3/17/22 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 3/17/22 at 12:33 pm to wildtigercat93
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Saints currently have 29.9 mil in cap space
You’re paying $14.5M to QBs no longer on your squad and you’ve got Tebow-lite as your starter.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 12:40 pm to wildtigercat93
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Posted on 3/17/22 at 12:42 pm to Van Wilder
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Pretending they haven’t felt the effects of this already is odd. They lost Hendrickson last year, Williams this year, and will lose Armstead
Every single team out there loses players they can no longer afford to free agency. Every one.
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