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re: National Champions since 2000 - Locations

Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:31 am to
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:31 am to
Yeah, I agree that almost everyone in the top 20-30 are going to have great facilities, so that playing field should be level.

When people were ripping the SEC as weak before the bowl games, they pointed to poor coaching. I do think the influx of great minds in the B1G and Pac will swing things back a bit.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:38 am to
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When people were ripping the SEC as weak before the bowl games, they pointed to poor coaching. I do think the influx of great minds in the B1G and Pac will swing things back a bit.


It will definitely help, but you still need the Jimmys and Joes. A couple Big 10 and Pac 12 schools can compete for the same talent, but on the whole they're way behind even middle-tier SEC and even ACC schools.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
37376 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:38 am to
Coaching is a big reason the sec was dominate as it was.

Saban is the only coach left from the Meyer, miles, Patrino, CMR, spurrier, fulmer, tubberville

Filmer, miles, spurrier and tubby all reached a point where it was time to go. However, at their primes they still put out some really good teams.

I don't mind admitting the SEC isn't what it was a few years ago but I hate the big 10 fans that are acting like 03-13 wasn't a real thing. The SEC has just regressed back to the mean.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:39 am to
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States like Maryland, New Jersey, Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio have a large African American population. In fact, in terms of sheer numbers, we have more just due to the fact that we have a much bigger population that Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina.

Basketball is big up here, but football is too. And there is talent (look at Ohio for example).



Way more hoopers up north. Look at the NBA statistics from American born basketball players.



Also, just FYI:


NORTH STATES YOU MENTIONED:

Maryland:
1.8 million black people

New Jersey:
1.35 million black people

Illinois:
1.8 million black people

Michigan:
1.4 million black people

Ohio:
1.47 million black people


SOUTH:

Texas:
3.64 million black people

Florida:
3.57 million black people

Georgia:
3.3 million black people

Louisiana:
1.65 million black people

Alabama:
1.5 million black people

Mississippi:
1.2 million black people (only 3m people in the state)


Also, the Southern states have a much higher percentage of black population and a much higher percentage of per capita involvement in football...among all races.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:39 am to
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2003: LSU

And 2003 USC. AP
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 10:40 am
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
140002 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:41 am to
Another reason I am going to say that the pendulum is swinging back is 15 of the top 25 are not from the Southeast region.

In the past you had 8 SEC 4 ACC teams a couple AAC or Big East teams in the poll. Now you are seeing more and more B1G teams in final poll.

It may be a bias or it may be just a fluke.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 10:41 am
Posted by Sevendust912
Member since Jun 2013
11376 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:42 am to
Basketball is big up here, so that takes away a lot of the folks that would normally play football.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:42 am to
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I don't really want to go into this topic, but they are different in the south.



It's really more about how they are raised and the climate. Football is a sport that at minimum requires some land and at the youth sports level a reasonable fall season to play.

Basketball can be played year round and requires less space to play and equipment (think storage, etc.) so in your dense parts of the country, it is much more popular.

Things like this are covered in Outliers, fwiw.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
37376 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:43 am to
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And 2003 USC. AP



and people wonder where the "SEC" chants came from.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:43 am to
Also, interesting stat:

There are only 4,000 black people in the entire state of Montana. Making it 0.67% of the population.

In Mississippi, 40% of the population is black and in Washington DC it is 50%.

Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
37376 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:48 am to
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Another reason I am going to say that the pendulum is swinging back is 15 of the top 25 are not from the Southeast region.




Another big reason the SEC did well was that Florida was the only school in the state was good in the late 00s. Bama, UGA, LSU and other sec schools were able to come into the state and steal players. If Patrick Peterson is a senior right now, I don't see him coming to LSU with FSU, Miami, Florida and even USF

Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
87056 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:56 am to
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Things like this are covered in Outliers, fwiw.


I always loved the tidbit about the birthdays of Canadian hockey players. It is obvious in hindsight, but one of those things you don't think about often.
Posted by StealthCalais11
Lurker since 2007
Member since Aug 2011
12462 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 11:32 am to
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If you want to put some science to it. There are studies showing that training in high heat and high humidity works muscles in similar way to training high altitude



After spending countless numbers of practices in 90+ degree heat & humidity it honestly wouldn't surprise me
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20268 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 11:42 am to
Kids are raised down here to play football. It is what it is.
Posted by UF
Florida
Member since Nov 2016
2696 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 12:46 pm to
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There also was a facilities race, which wasn't joined until recently by others.


Facilities are the least important factor I believe. Coaching is huge, as is the passion of the fans / communities.
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