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re: Mike Trout, is he done for?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:30 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:30 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I don’t see how staying with the Angels somehow makes him a worse baseball player. You can criticize him for it, it’s not what I would have done, but it’s completely independent of what he’s done and how he’s performed on a baseball field
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:31 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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it’s completely independent of what he’s done and how he’s performed on a baseball field
*when* he’s on the field, which isn’t that often
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:32 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:How the frick is a single position player on a team of crap supposed to carry them to victory? Pitching around a single star is easy (see: walk totals). Do you think he comes up with based juiced every AB and just blows it?
Winning and availability should still mean something
fricking retarded
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:32 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:and then his winning doesnt matter because he chose the easy way out and hes the next kevin durant
You can go to another team when you know yours is an unserious franchise who doesn’t and has never really cared about winning.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:33 pm to lsupride87
Sorry Charlie, but the last few years will count against him. As of right now there are quite a few players that have better stats that aren’t in.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:34 pm to WestCoastAg
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and then his winning doesnt matter because he chose the easy way out and hes the next kevin durant
No one would have blamed trout for leaving Anaheim and you know that. Don’t be dishonest.
There’s a difference between going to a team you blew a lead to in the conference finals and leaving a bad organization, which again, you know
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:34 pm to RemouladeSawce
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How the frick is a single position player on a team of crap supposed to carry them to victory?
Getting more than one career playoff hit would be a good start
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:35 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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*when* he’s on the field, which isn’t that often
Looks like some goalpost movement
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:36 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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No one would have blamed trout for leaving Anaheim and you know that. Don’t be dishonest.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:40 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Looks like some goalpost movement
I said his injury history should be considered in my very first post, so not at all.
Being available is important. You may be great when you’re on the field, but if you can’t stay on the field what does it mean?
I’m not saying the guy sucks, but saying he should get 98% plus on his first ballot if wrong, in my opinion.
I understand the value of advance metrics, counting stats are bad at measuring performance, but there’s more to baseball than WAR, not matter how bad the nerds don’t want it to be. And if that’s all that matters, just make a WAR line criteria for induction and continue to make the game worse.
I mean the guy is going to end up with the same amount of hits as Brandon Phillips and Raul Ibanez, and some people talk about him like he’s an all time great. My personal opnion is you have to play to be an all time great.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:41 pm to Skenes
Mike Trout:
CLUTCH SLASH-LINE STATS (Career):
BA /OBP / SLG
.262/.451/.445 (2 outs, RISP)
247/.406 /.463 (Late & Close)
Meh.
Evidence suggests for all his gaudy numbers Mike Trout has not risen to the occasion much when it's counted.
CLUTCH SLASH-LINE STATS (Career):
BA /OBP / SLG
.262/.451/.445 (2 outs, RISP)
247/.406 /.463 (Late & Close)
Meh.
Evidence suggests for all his gaudy numbers Mike Trout has not risen to the occasion much when it's counted.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:43 pm to EphesianArmor
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Evidence suggests for all his gaudy numbers Mike Trout has not risen to the occasion much when it's counted.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:45 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
oh please tell me how great for baseball it is to bring NBA and NFL brain rot RANGS!!!!! discource into the sport. please
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:46 pm to WestCoastAg
So .a 247 CAREER BA (Late & Close) is acceptable for a so-called "first time HOF'er?
Alrighty then. (with all due respect to Lyle Overbay)
Alrighty then. (with all due respect to Lyle Overbay)
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:47 pm to WestCoastAg
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oh please tell me how great for baseball it is to bring NBA and NFL brain rot RANGS!!!!! discource into the sport. please
People with a brain can both use numbers and their eyes to judge performance. Just like it’s not all about rings, it’s not all about WAR
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:49 pm to EphesianArmor
thinking someone with almost an 870 OPS in the dumb arbitrary scenario you created isnt getting it done
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:50 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:they actually cant, see this thread
People with a brain can both use numbers and their eyes to judge performance.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:55 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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there’s more to baseball than WAR, not matter how bad the nerds don’t want it to be.
Zackly.
WAR is one of those Bill James contrived stat metrics that has distorted player value since he invented them.
OTOH, Clutch Late & Close and RISP w/2Outs when everything is on the line says a lot more about a ballplayer with the raw gaudy power numbers of a Mike Trout (Trout comes up very short by those legit metrics, see above)
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:01 pm to WestCoastAg
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thinking someone with almost an 870 OPS in the dumb arbitrary scenario you created isnt getting it done
That .870 OPS is distorted by Trout's BBs (when Late & Close AND w/2 outs you desperately need a HIT from your clean-up hitter)
Sorry man. Mike Trout is a great fielder, great hitter; Just not a guy who hits and wins games when it counts.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:02 pm to WestCoastAg
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they actually cant, see this thread
I agree, you can’t use your eyes
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