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Mike & Mike are usually dunderheads...

Posted on 12/7/09 at 8:29 am
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 12/7/09 at 8:29 am
...but they did have a pretty decent discussion this morning comparing Texas' and Cincinnati's BCS resumes. Essentially, their conclusion was that Texas is in with a higher BCS ranking because of pre-season polls.

Here's the pre-season Coaches Poll:

USA Today Poll
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Florida (53) 0-0 1466
2 Texas (4) 0-0 1386
3 Oklahoma (1) 0-0 1358
4 USC (1) 0-0 1321
5 Alabama 0-0 1134
6 Ohio State 0-0 1126
7 Virginia Tech 0-0 1020
8 Penn State 0-0 988
9 LSU 0-0 917
10 Mississippi 0-0 889
11 Oklahoma State 0-0 861
12 California 0-0 711
13 Georgia 0-0 707
14 Oregon 0-0 694
15 Georgia Tech 0-0 559
16 Boise State 0-0 542
17 TCU 0-0 461
18 Utah 0-0 404
19 Florida State 0-0 371
20 North Carolina 0-0 293
21 Iowa 0-0 257
22 Nebraska 0-0 236
23 Notre Dame 0-0 194
24 Brigham Young 0-0 178
25 Oregon State 0-0 165

Cincinnati was No. 29 of you go into the list of "other teams reciving votes."

By week 7, here's the Coaches Poll:

1 Florida (49) 6-0 1464
2 Alabama (9) 7-0 1398
3 Texas (1) 6-0 1386
4 USC 5-1 1237
5 Boise State 6-0 1153
6 Cincinnati 6-0 1104
7 TCU 6-0 1069
8 Iowa 7-0 1037
9 Miami (FL) 5-1 998
10 LSU 5-1 995
11 Penn State 6-1 894
12 Oklahoma State 5-1 795
13 Georgia Tech 6-1 779
14 Oregon 5-1 769
15 Virginia Tech 5-2 672
16 Brigham Young 6-1 577
17 Ohio State 5-2 481
17 Houston 5-1 421
19 Pittsburgh 6-1 328
20 Utah 5-1 300
21 Kansas 5-1 222
22 West Virginia 5-1 188
23 South Carolina 5-2 142
24 Texas Tech 5-2 132
25 Mississippi 4-2 114

And the 1st BCS rankings:

1 Florida 6-0
2 Alabama 7-0
3 Texas 6-0
4 Boise State 6-0
5 Cincinnati 6-0
6 Iowa 7-0
7 USC 5-1
8 TCU 6-0
9 LSU 5-1
10 Miami (FL) 5-1
11 Oregon 5-1
12 Georgia Tech 6-1
13 Penn State 6-1
14 Virginia Tech 5-2
15 Oklahoma State 5-1
16 Brigham Young 6-1
17 Houston 5-1
18 Utah 5-1
19 Ohio State 5-2
20 Pittsburgh 6-1
21 Wisconsin 5-2
22 Arizona 4-2
23 West Virginia 5-1
24 South Carolina 5-2
25 Kansas 5-1

This season, Cincinnati beat three (3) ranked teams, while Texas only beat two (2) ranked teams. Moreover, Cincinnati is actually No. 2 above Texas in the computer polls. It was the "human" polling that killed them (No. 4 in the final Harris and Coaches Polls).

Something to the theory.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 12/7/09 at 8:42 am to
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Essentially, their conclusion was that Texas is in with a higher BCS ranking because of pre-season polls.



Not really. Cincinatti could have been ranked #4 in the preaseason polls and still been left out. Texas being ranked ahead of them kept them out of the championship game. And whether the polls came out preaseason, week 6, or yesterday, Texas was always going to be ranked ahead of Cincinnati.
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/7/09 at 8:43 am to
It was preseason polls + CFB bias
Posted by DBG
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Member since May 2004
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Posted on 12/7/09 at 8:44 am to
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And whether the polls came out preaseason, week 6, or yesterday, Texas was always going to be ranked ahead of Cincinnati.


maybe, but not necessarily

Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/7/09 at 8:45 am to
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Not really. Cincinatti could have been ranked #4 in the preaseason polls and still been left out. Texas being ranked ahead of them kept them out of the championship game. And whether the polls came out preaseason, week 6, or yesterday, Texas was always going to be ranked ahead of Cincinnati.


I think that's kind of the point. The nonsense that if you win you move up argument needs to be absolutely scrapped. Why more voters didn't even contemplate moving TCU or Cincy up after Texas' sham of a performance just goes to show that no one really thinks any of this through week by week. They vote on the preseason polls and then teams are dropped when they lose and the rest are bumped up; it's laughable at best.
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/7/09 at 8:46 am to
I fail to understand why you drop after losing to a higher ranked opponent if the game is close.

After all if you are the #10 team in the nation and lose by 2 points to the #2 team, why do drop? Didn't the poll already implicitly state that you were going to lose to them by ranking you lower.
Posted by picollo
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 12/7/09 at 9:19 am to


Those whole ranking system is bunk, and so is the Cincy/Texas argument.

Texas struggled offensively, as bad as Cincy struggled defensively. You can't say one was worse than the other, considering they both barely won their games.

Besides, the Big East is a joke. Pitt and WVU being ranked this year is unwarranted.
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/7/09 at 9:20 am to
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Besides, the Big East is a joke.


The Big East this year >>>> The Big XII, MWC, ACC, and Big X this year.
This post was edited on 12/7/09 at 9:20 am
Posted by Pilot Tiger
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 12/7/09 at 9:25 am to
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I fail to understand why you drop after losing to a higher ranked opponent if the game is close.
did LSU drop after it lost to Bama?
Posted by picollo
Member since Oct 2008
375 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 9:42 am to

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The Big East this year >>>> The Big XII, MWC, ACC, and Big X this year.


Why? Because you say so?

Texas- Cincy

Okie State- Pitt

Nebraska-WVU

OU- Rutgers

Texas Tech- Uconn

A&M - USF

Mizzou- Lousiville

KU- Syracuse


Now you tell me which one of those teams is winning a game out of the big east? One maybe, two would be a miracle.


This post was edited on 12/7/09 at 9:43 am
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
14561 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 9:47 am to
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Why? Because you say so?


LINK

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Now you tell me which one of those teams is winning a game out of the big east? One maybe, two would be a miracle.


What the frick are you smoking. Plus you are using a terrible way to match the two up. Lets drop all of the shitty teams in the Big XII then make the Big East play their worst teams. YAY

Here's more a logical way to do this

Texas - Cinci

Okie St - Pitt

Nebraska - WVU

OU - Rutgers

Texas A&M - UConn

Colorado - USF

Baylor - Louisville

Kansas - Syracuse

You take an average of the Big XII. Best 4 and worst 4 against the Big East's 8 teams

Out of that

Cinci
Pitt
WVU
OU
UConn
USF
Louisville
Kansas
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476282 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 9:49 am to
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Texas- Cincy

cincy

quote:

Okie State- Pitt

pitt

quote:

Nebraska-WVU

WVU

quote:

OU- Rutgers

OU

quote:

Texas Tech- Uconn

TTech

the big east has 8 teams and everyone must play each other. teams dodge other hard opponents in the big12

Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2005
74020 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 9:51 am to
Texas beats Cincy in a bowl. Neb beats WVU too
Posted by picollo
Member since Oct 2008
375 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:48 am to
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the big east has 8 teams and everyone must play each other. teams dodge other hard opponents in the big12




Hahaha!!!

Texas would mudhole Cincy in a bowl game. Like I said, Texas had a bad game offensively, but they still are better than Cincy in that dept. Add to the fact that Texas is number 3 in the country in defense, and you get a mudhole.

Pitt is a run first team that is lucky to be playing in the big east. Basically, they are Georgia, and we all saw what OSU did to Georgia this year. Give them a little credit.

Nebraska would kill WVU in a bowl game. They would be lucky to score, and we all know WVU doesn't play D. Let's get real here.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476282 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:49 am to
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Texas beats Cincy

cincy is similar (yet better) than TAMU

quote:

Neb beats WVU too

NU is not that good. they had 1 out of their arse game that everyone saw and people are jacking off to

this is a team that lost to VT
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
14561 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:49 am to
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Pitt is a run first team that is lucky to be playing in the big east. Basically, they are Georgia, and we all saw what OSU did to Georgia this year.


Pitt's D>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UGA's D

Stull>>>>>>>>>>>The Ginger Ninja
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
14561 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:50 am to
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we all know WVU doesn't play D.


NU would probably have a better chance of winning games if they punted on 1st downs.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476282 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:50 am to
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Basically, they are Georgia, and we all saw what OSU did to Georgia this year. Give them a little credit.

Pitt has a better QB and RB than UGA, and a better defense

and OSU had bryant (and got favorable calls)

quote:

They would be lucky to score,



after you say this:

quote:

Texas had a bad game offensively


so which is it?

quote:

WVU doesn't play D.

they do, but they don't really have to with NU
Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2005
74020 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:52 am to
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cincy is similar (yet better) than TAMU
it doesnt matter, TAMU has had worse teams than this and still beaten UT. It's a rivalry game.

Brown has been there before, I think Texas would be better prepared on the big stage than Cincy
quote:

NU is not that good. they had 1 out of their arse game that everyone saw and people are jacking off to
their D is good
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
14561 posts
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:54 am to
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their D is good


As I said above they probably have a better chance to score off a safety, pick six, fumble return for TD, or a turnover that starts them in FG range than they do actually playing offense.
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