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Middle School Basketball Rec League Offense Coaching Tips
Posted on 3/23/24 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 3/23/24 at 6:46 pm
Paging our resident MSB Erik Spoelstras!
I've been coaching 12 year old Rec league basketball for 2 seasons, looking for tips to maximize the offense.
I feel like I can coach up the better players and we're good enough to make it work, but it's a struggle trying to get the worse players in line. Obviously not expecting much from them.
Here's the gist of the issue. We have 10 players on the team. We have 3-4 kids who are pretty good and can take instructions. 2-3 are decent(can dribble competently and score in the paint) but won't take to coaching much, and then another 3 or so who just aren't good and can't do much of anything.
I basically want to run 5 out to space it out and let the better kids facilitate creating offense.
Given that less than half the team can competently run parts of 5 out like when to cut and filling on the open spots during a possession, we end up with the opposite effect of lack of spacing.
I think the main issue is we tell the kids not to just stand around but it has the opposite effect with 4 kids without the ball thinking they have to always be running around.
Basically trying to figure out an offense, likely 5 out, that can keep good spacing but in some respects, I don't want the kids who aren't very good to literally stand in the corner and never move. Since it's Rec league, I need just a little balance here.
Unless it's the 4th quarter, I'll likely always have at least 2 kids on the court who can't really do anything.
Teach me, MSB wise ones!!!
I've been coaching 12 year old Rec league basketball for 2 seasons, looking for tips to maximize the offense.
I feel like I can coach up the better players and we're good enough to make it work, but it's a struggle trying to get the worse players in line. Obviously not expecting much from them.
Here's the gist of the issue. We have 10 players on the team. We have 3-4 kids who are pretty good and can take instructions. 2-3 are decent(can dribble competently and score in the paint) but won't take to coaching much, and then another 3 or so who just aren't good and can't do much of anything.
I basically want to run 5 out to space it out and let the better kids facilitate creating offense.
Given that less than half the team can competently run parts of 5 out like when to cut and filling on the open spots during a possession, we end up with the opposite effect of lack of spacing.
I think the main issue is we tell the kids not to just stand around but it has the opposite effect with 4 kids without the ball thinking they have to always be running around.
Basically trying to figure out an offense, likely 5 out, that can keep good spacing but in some respects, I don't want the kids who aren't very good to literally stand in the corner and never move. Since it's Rec league, I need just a little balance here.
Unless it's the 4th quarter, I'll likely always have at least 2 kids on the court who can't really do anything.
Teach me, MSB wise ones!!!
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Posted on 3/23/24 at 7:12 pm to shel311
Posted on 3/23/24 at 7:18 pm to shel311
Triangle offense and I suggest you bring a whoopin stick to get the players to take instruction.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 7:33 pm to POTUS2024
1 3 1 press defense, create lanes offense, run/shoot.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 7:56 pm to makersmark1
quote:Issue is we basically only get 30 minutes of practice time before each game, so very limited. Plus, unless it's the final 6 minutes or so of each game, I'll basically have 2-3 kids on court at all times who aren't going to be able to run any multi action sets, they just won't remember or know where to go.
Consider a high stack offense.
This is fairly straightforward and easy to teach.
LINK
My best 3-4 kids basically just make everything work on their own, while I'm trying to figure out how to just keep everyone spaced out for them.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 8:03 pm to shel311
Saving for later.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 8:11 pm to shel311
I’m a coach if you want to talk hoops on the phone
Posted on 3/23/24 at 8:14 pm to shel311
quote:
likely 5 out, that can keep good spacing but in some respects, I don't want the kids who aren't very good to literally stand in the corner and never move.
Then I would run a simple pass and cut motion.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 9:06 pm to shel311
Can they pass, cut, and fill?
5 out is straightforward, but they need to know how to screen away, cut, pass etc.
All offense is based on spacing and movement.
Do you play mostly against, man, 2-3 zone, 3-2 zone, 1-3-1 zone?
If 2-3, this is fairly simple. LINK
If odd front, consider “swinger” offense.
LINK
5 out is straightforward, but they need to know how to screen away, cut, pass etc.
All offense is based on spacing and movement.
Do you play mostly against, man, 2-3 zone, 3-2 zone, 1-3-1 zone?
If 2-3, this is fairly simple. LINK
If odd front, consider “swinger” offense.
LINK
Posted on 3/23/24 at 9:07 pm to coachLSU
quote:Pass and cut and/or pass and screen?
Then I would run a simple pass and cut motion.
Basically, I tell kids to not stand still but they take that to mean run around nonstop literally lol. So the end result is never actually being 5 out.
I'm thinking along the lines of telling them to only step inside the 3 pt line if a shot goes up or if their man leaves them completely.
Then I could probably have a talk with my 3-4 good players and give them a bit more leeway and freedom?
This post was edited on 3/23/24 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 3/23/24 at 9:44 pm to shel311
Make then ALL do serious work on their handles, every day. That alone will make a 10 pt difference each game
Posted on 3/24/24 at 1:31 am to ColonelAngus
Depending on you size and speed I’d also suggest having a 3-2 to switch in and out of with your 1-3-1 which by the way is hands down the best presses for middle school if you can run it effectively. On offense I would only have 2 or 3 set plays with an additional simple motion variations depending on the type of defense the other team is showing us. My team strives to create most of our offense off defense and fast break plays.
Posted on 3/24/24 at 5:22 am to jag211
I had 2 big kids who were helpful down low but slow on the motion.
I ran a 4 out 1 in.
Ma'am down low would move opposite paint side depending on the drive in and wait for rebound or pass and shoot.
It also let the more skilled smarter players feast on the edge and they had more room to screen in and cut.
I ran a 4 out 1 in.
Ma'am down low would move opposite paint side depending on the drive in and wait for rebound or pass and shoot.
It also let the more skilled smarter players feast on the edge and they had more room to screen in and cut.
Posted on 3/24/24 at 7:16 am to shel311
quote:
Pass and cut and/or pass and screen?
I’d suggest pass, then cut to basket, next guy fills up.
Then the next time you pass, screen away.
Ball screens bring two defenders to the ball. Unless your guys are real strong with the ball, screens should be set off the ball more often. Send a second cutter right behind the first cutter.
Get some simple baseline out of bounds plays. I like putting the four on the court lined up across the court at foul line. The outside guys dive to block. The ball side inside man goes to ball side short corner. Now the ball side is empty up top for the weak side guy near foul line to drift over for a catch and shoot three.
Posted on 3/24/24 at 7:22 am to shel311
quote:
Here's the gist of the issue. We have 10 players on the team. We have 3-4 kids who are pretty good and can take instructions. 2-3 are decent(can dribble competently and score in the paint) but won't take to coaching much, and then another 3 or so who just aren't good and can't do much of anything.
Posted on 3/24/24 at 7:49 am to shel311
Stick to your 5 out and have your lower 2 work with each other running the baseline, short corner, coming up to the top for post and screen. Of course have your uppers call most of it.
I say this due to the age and you don’t want to confuse them with too much.
I say this due to the age and you don’t want to confuse them with too much.
Posted on 3/24/24 at 7:59 am to shel311
I say Run a 4 corners offense and run the play according to the team that you have.
Cut your team down to 8 players. Tell the kids that don't make the team that this isn't intramurals brother.
Run this play for out of bounds under the goal
For Defense, I would go to half court 2-1-2 zone.
Cut your team down to 8 players. Tell the kids that don't make the team that this isn't intramurals brother.
Run this play for out of bounds under the goal
For Defense, I would go to half court 2-1-2 zone.
This post was edited on 3/24/24 at 8:20 am
Posted on 3/24/24 at 8:12 am to pioneerbasketball
If they play a lot of man, I remember back at that age we ran a lot of flex. Good way to teach basic motion, ball reversal, clearouts, etc
LINK
LINK
Posted on 3/24/24 at 8:47 am to shel311
1-3-1 on defense and you will pressed if you suck so play a 4 high offense to beat the press. Someone will always be open for the pass and a cut out of it gets you an easy basket.
When they get out the press send your trash players to the corners to spread the floor and run a lot of pick and roll.
Spend a lot of practice time working on transition offense, rebound to running the floor. If you aren't good you can't let the defense get set.
When they get out the press send your trash players to the corners to spread the floor and run a lot of pick and roll.
Spend a lot of practice time working on transition offense, rebound to running the floor. If you aren't good you can't let the defense get set.
Posted on 3/24/24 at 8:55 am to shel311
I'm not a huge basketball guy but I did coach school ball around that age. Didn't have much success with 5 out. A lot of turnovers and kids not moving.
Swapped to 3 out with a guy at the top of the key and a guy down low. Player on the key stays on the same side as ball. Low player stays opposite ball side.
Swapped to 3 out with a guy at the top of the key and a guy down low. Player on the key stays on the same side as ball. Low player stays opposite ball side.
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