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re: Michael Jordan: Only four active players would be stars if they played in my era
Posted on 2/16/13 at 3:49 pm to Akit1
Posted on 2/16/13 at 3:49 pm to Akit1
I don't think it's a coincidence that the four he named have all won championships and finals MVPs. He probably doesn't think shite of anyone who doesn't have those, unless he specifically was the one who prevented it(Malone/Barkley).
The only surprising omission is DWade.
The only surprising omission is DWade.
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Posted on 2/16/13 at 7:16 pm to PrivateJoker
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achieves MVP status somehow
Probably because he was probably the 2nd best player in the NBA for a bit.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 8:24 pm to shel311
I obviously think there are more than 4 players that would be stars but he's probably not far off on the number. Different league and game now. Sure the talent is better but the toughness is not. Players these days don't have to fear handchecks, being knocked on their arse on a regular basis and the pure physical, grind it out nature of the game that occured when Jordan was at his peak. I'm confident some of today's stars would be able to adjust and play that style but not many.
Chris Paul? He's more talented thn the Stockton's of the world but Stockton would shut him down with the '90s rules and both in their peak years. Dirty, grimy basketball would do the trick and Paul's entitled attitude ould get him thrown out constantly, if he isn't injured
Durant-he could be a big time scorer but he'd have to stay outside. He wouldn't be playing in the paint often. Barkley would put a shoulder into him a couple of times and he'd learn his lesson. Imagine Durant driving the lane and Charles Oakley is standing in the way. Who wins that battle? My money is on Oakley
Westbrook-his athletic ability and size would do him well but could he handle the pounding when going in the lane? I'm not sure he could.
Dwight Howard-wouldn't make it with Ewing, Hakeem and Shaq banging on him nightly. Add in guys like Dale Davis and Howard would be pussed out regularly. He is now and there aren't any centers in his league.
Chris Paul? He's more talented thn the Stockton's of the world but Stockton would shut him down with the '90s rules and both in their peak years. Dirty, grimy basketball would do the trick and Paul's entitled attitude ould get him thrown out constantly, if he isn't injured
Durant-he could be a big time scorer but he'd have to stay outside. He wouldn't be playing in the paint often. Barkley would put a shoulder into him a couple of times and he'd learn his lesson. Imagine Durant driving the lane and Charles Oakley is standing in the way. Who wins that battle? My money is on Oakley
Westbrook-his athletic ability and size would do him well but could he handle the pounding when going in the lane? I'm not sure he could.
Dwight Howard-wouldn't make it with Ewing, Hakeem and Shaq banging on him nightly. Add in guys like Dale Davis and Howard would be pussed out regularly. He is now and there aren't any centers in his league.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 8:39 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Poverty point guards of the 90s would get dominated today
Posted on 2/16/13 at 11:24 pm to RonBurgundy
The fact KD was left out disappoints me. That is all.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:13 am to cornstarch
I agree with MJ. The early 90s Piston teams would go undefeated in today's NBA but so would the Bulls, Lakers and Celtics of the 80s. I stopped watching a long time ago.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 6:04 am to offshoretrash
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I stopped watching a long time ago.
You don't say?
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:06 am to offshoretrash
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I agree with MJ. The early 90s Piston teams would go undefeated in today's NBA but so would the Bulls, Lakers and Celtics of the 80s.
The size and athleticism of players grows every year. Players are bigger, faster, stronger. Weight training "technology" and technique have improved. You have training like no other from any other era. These are world class athletes today.
Yet somehow the slower, smaller players of 20-30 years ago would dominate today?
It's funny how people only remember the highlights of the older players from back in the day. Like somehow they were pulling NBA Jam type dunks on hall of famers and averaging 40 points a game from day 1 in the NBA. Come on.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:24 am to beaverfever
No Kevin Garnett? 
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:33 pm to Strannix
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The size and athleticism of players grows every year. Players are bigger, faster, stronger. Weight training "technology" and technique have improved. You have training like no other from any other era. These are world class athletes today.
That's why comparing eras isn't fair to older players of any sport. The new guys have the benefits from everything the old guys learned plus whatever has been picked up in the intervening years. The question should be how the new guys would do if they were limited to what the old guys had to work with or vice versa. Few people ever seem to think about that in these threads.
It would be like saying there's some college sophomore somewhere smarter than Einstein because he technically knows more about physics.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:43 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
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No Derek Rose or Dwayne Wade?
uhhh Kevin Durant? Derrick Rose can't even stay healthy, so he's a softee.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:16 pm to dcrews
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It's funny how people only remember the highlights of the older players from back in the day. Like somehow they were pulling NBA Jam type dunks on hall of famers and averaging 40 points a game from day 1 in the NBA. Come on.
You ever hear of Dr J?
Are you saying today players are better than the Lakers, Celtics, Rockets, Pistons, and Bulls? If you are you are just fricking crazy. Today's best teams wouldn't stand a chance.
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Yet somehow the slower, smaller players of 20-30 years ago would dominate today?
What? You think those guys were slower and smaller? You really don't know a damn thing about the NBA 20 or 30 yrs ago. Those teams would blow the modern era teams out of the building. Take a look at the number of HOF players from that era. How many are playing in the game today?
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:19 pm to offshoretrash
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You think those guys were slower and smaller?
yes
this beefcake was an "enforcer" in the 80s
he was also quite the athletic specimen to go along with his bulk
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:28 pm to beaverfever
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Just had time for the whole article. Pretty incredible picture it paints of Jordan. It's eating him up that in 10 years Lebron might be considered his equal.
What's eating him alive is everybody pointing out ole Scotty helped him win all those championships and he blew it off but in two years Lebron with his pippin (wade) has been to the finals both years. Jordan's insecure as shite if he'd Shutup about it nobody would care.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:30 pm to offshoretrash
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Take a look at the number of HOF players from that era. How many are playing in the game today?
We're actually in a pretty deep NBA talent pool right now. One that probably rivals the late 80s/early 90s. People just often underrate present day players relative to past for various reasons. (ex: a few weeks ago many people on this site said Chris Bosh wouldn't make the HoF, when he's almost certain to make the HoF) Also, there's 30 teams now relative to 24 back then. The dilution of the talent makes the league overall seem less talented when in fact it isn't.
Also, if you're trying to say the Heat or Thunder wouldn't compete with those teams you listed, then I don't agree with your assessment. The Heat are just as talented as those early-90s Bulls teams.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this beefcake was an "enforcer" in the 80s
he was also quite the athletic specimen to go along with his bulk
And in his prime would put 50 a night on the board against today's "talent". Few were better in the post than Kevin.
Akeem, Magic, J Worthy, Dr J, D Wilkins, Charles Barkley, and Jordan would have no problem against today's softies.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:39 pm to offshoretrash
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would put 50 a night on the board against today's "talent".
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Akeem, Magic, J Worthy, Dr J, D Wilkins, Charles Barkley, and Jordan would have no problem against today's softies.
actually barkley would have some issues
jordan is jordan. nobody debates he was amazing
magic was amazing, but he wouldn't be the same guy today for sure. the lack of the 80s frantic paces would hurt him
wilkins would be a sometimes all-star. his PER in the inflated 80s era was only b/w 20-24 in his prime. that would be an 18-22 in today's game with the slower pace
a guy like mchale would not come close to putting up the same stats in today's game
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:47 pm to jturn17
There's a reason why the 92 dream team is considered the best basketball team ever assembled, because it is. Match that era's superstars with today and it's not close.
Today's NBA just don't have those big guys they did. Sure the Heat has a good team but I would not put it in the same class as the Bulls, Lakers, or Celtics best years. Hell Kobe and Shaq's Laker teams would beat them.
Today's NBA just don't have those big guys they did. Sure the Heat has a good team but I would not put it in the same class as the Bulls, Lakers, or Celtics best years. Hell Kobe and Shaq's Laker teams would beat them.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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actually barkley would have some issues jordan is jordan. nobody debates he was amazing magic was amazing, but he wouldn't be the same guy today for sure. the lack of the 80s frantic paces would hurt him wilkins would be a sometimes all-star. his PER in the inflated 80s era was only b/w 20-24 in his prime. that would be an 18-22 in today's game with the slower pace a guy like mchale would not come close to putting up the same stats in today's game
YOU HAVE NO CLUE!!!!! A frickING IDIOT when it comes to 80's NBA.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:51 pm to offshoretrash
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Today's NBA just don't have those big guys they did.
Sports evolve. There are plenty of talented big men. They've just all become stretch 4s instead low post players.
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