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re: Micah Parsons relationship w/ Dallas has deteriorated UPDATE: Official trade request!
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:38 pm to wildtigercat93
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:38 pm to wildtigercat93
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A pricey deal today is a bargain 2 years from now. Both sides have incentives to get the deal done sooner and downsides to letting it play out.
Florio has been beating on this over and over -- he says the Cowboys always mess around and pay more later.
Does Jerry have a reputation for backing out of handshake deals? Seems like this would be well-publicized by now.
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Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:40 pm to wildtigercat93
What would really worry me as a Cowboys fan is that Jerry's son is going to takeover at some point and it seems like he's just as dumb with contracts and the media.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:51 pm to lepdagod
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What part doesn’t make sense for the Cowboys???
The part where Dallas could have him at approximately a 15M discount for the this year and a 10Mish discount for next year. And, those numbers are conservative.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:57 pm to wildtigercat93
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But again the price goes up
It goes up commensurate with the cap and revenues. It's a zero sum game.
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If you don’t want to pay him 35 mil/year now, are you gonna want to pay him 50 mil / year in a couple years?
Stop. You undervalued the contract he's asking for, and overvalued the % increase two years makes.
He's making about 24 this year I think and the estimate on next year's franchise is 30M. I think Watt is averaging 41M.
I think the Cowboys would take 35 in a heartbeat and think it would be an example of them getting a discount over what he'd get on the free market.
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And having a player on the franchise tag is an anchor to your cap flexibility, especially if you go past the first franchise tag. You can do all kind of backloading, fake years etc to make the cap work with a real contract, while the franchise tag is a complete hold of that GTD amount on that salary cap.
Also you could have 2 players that are worthy of that franchise tag, so you gotta pick 1 and the others get to hit FA
They've already signed Dak and Lamb. So, who are you referring to? Diggs? Are they even capable of paying a 4th player top dollar (that's your implication when discussing another player to be franchised)?
I'm not saying it makes NO sense for the Cowboys to sign him now. I'm saying that they hold a good amount of leverage and depending upon their long term plan could easily decide that they want to have this conversation next year.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:58 pm to moneyg
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The part where Dallas could have him at approximately a 15M discount for the this year and a 10Mish discount for next year. And, those numbers are conservative.
Cap space at this time of year is pretty pointless, and a new deal would likely have little cap implications on the current year based on the way teams structure these deals
So congrats I guess?
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:58 pm to wildtigercat93
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No offense but that’s not what I was saying at all. My point is simply that the price goes up as time goes on. The better deal is had early. Certainly there is risk for the team that a player gets hurt in that case, but the same risk is weighed on the players end on getting hurt by not taking the deal earlier.
Do the math.
Tell me what he'd get on average if he signed a new contract right now and compare it to what he'd get if he gets a new contract next year.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:03 pm to moneyg
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goes up commensurate with the cap and revenues. It's a zero sum game.
His price goes up bc his leverage goes up
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Stop. You undervalued the contract he's asking for, and overvalued the % increase two years makes.
I’m just throwing numbers out there for the concept, not trying to guess the deal he wants or will get
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They've already signed Dak and Lamb. So, who are you referring to? Diggs? Are they even capable of paying a 4th player top dollar (that's your implication when discussing another player to be franchised)?
Again I’m just pointing out that there are negative impacts to the team for franchising. It’s leverage for them but not an ideal set up. I have no idea who the cowboys will want to pay in a couple years
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not saying it makes NO sense for the Cowboys to sign him now. I'm saying that they hold a good amount of leverage and depending upon their long term plan could easily decide that they want to have this conversation next year.
Yeah of course they could, my point is that they have less leverage next year if so and will likely pay more than now bc they have more leverage now
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:04 pm to moneyg
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The part where Dallas could have him at approximately a 15M discount for the this year and a 10Mish discount for next year.
That line of thinking and Jerry’s willing and dealing got the Cowboys on a 30 year Super Bowl drought
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:04 pm to moneyg
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Do the math. Tell me what he'd get on average if he signed a new contract right now and compare it to what he'd get if he gets a new contract next year.
No
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:10 pm to wildtigercat93
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Cap space at this time of year is pretty pointless, and a new deal would likely have little cap implications on the current year based on the way teams structure these deals
So congrats I guess?
That's a strange argument given that the best way to free cap space right now would be a new deal.
And, fwiw, unused cap space is able to be pushed into next year. So, if they were sitting on cap space that would go unused without giving Parsons a new contract, it would also help for next year.
Finally, cap space and actual money are not the same and both are important.
In the end, this is mostly about leverage. The Cowboys have it and they are going to try and use it to get the best deal they can. Parsons will get a new deal that is a good deal unless he just wants to play hardball and demand top, top money. If that happens, I think the Cowboys will take this into next year, franchise him, and then negotiate then.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:11 pm to wildtigercat93
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Do the math. Tell me what he'd get on average if he signed a new contract right now and compare it to what he'd get if he gets a new contract next year.
No
I know. You are afraid to lay it out and acknowledge you are wrong.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:12 pm to Fun Bunch
Even swap with the Bengals for Hendrickson.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:14 pm to moneyg
Wrong about what exactly
I’m just not going to try to guess what number he wants to will get
I’m just not going to try to guess what number he wants to will get
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:14 pm to wildtigercat93
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Yeah of course they could, my point is that they have less leverage next year if so and will likely pay more than now bc they have more leverage now
this is poorly worded but i think i know what you are trying to say.
I agree that the Cowboys lose some leverage if they wait until next year and likely pay more on a per year average if that happens.
But, obviously, that doesn't mean it isn't better for the Cowboys to wait...hence why Parsons wants a new deal now. It's better for him. The deal has to make sense for both parties to get it done now.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:15 pm to wildtigercat93
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Wrong about what exactly
I’m just not going to try to guess what number he wants to will get
Without doing that, you do admit that you'd have to have an understanding of that to figure out whether it makes sense to wait or not, right?
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:20 pm to moneyg
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Without doing that, you do admit that you'd have to have an understanding of that to figure out whether it makes sense to wait or not, right?
No because it’s a fruitless excercise. Neither of us know what he’s currently asking for or what’s going on at the negotiation table, nor do we or would we know what they would hypothetically get or not get in a years time. It’s all guess work
But the concept of leverage, which you seem to understand, is something we can point to as to when the deal is most advantageous for both sides. Both sides are balancing risk/reward, for the team, if they think he’s an all pro, then that risk and reward is had sooner rather than later.
So no I can’t predict the future for you unfortunately.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:23 pm to wildtigercat93
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:23 pm to wildtigercat93
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His price goes up bc his leverage goes up
You are saying what I'm saying. He would get a lesser deal today because Dallas holds leverage.
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Yeah of course they could, my point is that they have less leverage next year if so and will likely pay more than now bc they have more leverage now
Said it twice.
Now, the question is whether Parsons is willing to take less than what he otherwise would. All of the talk is that he's wanting to set the market and was waiting on the Watt contract. That's a pretty strong indication that he's not thinking about a discount.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:25 pm to bcoop199
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What would really worry me as a Cowboys fan is that Jerry's son is going to takeover at some point and it seems like he's just as dumb with contracts and the media.
He's been in charge for a while now. Jerry just likes to be in front of the camera and express his opinions. But he's not the real GM anymore. Son basically told him to go to his room back in 2014 when Jerry was crying to draft Johnny Manziel.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:26 pm to RLDSC FAN
Parsons for Jake Haener and a 3rd. Done deal.
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