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re: Memphis shuts up UCF

Posted on 10/18/20 at 5:37 pm to
Posted by Peter Venkman
Jackson, TN
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Posted on 10/18/20 at 5:37 pm to
I hate to break it to some of y’all but Memphis is just about as annoying as UCF. Those G5 fans are incorrigible.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
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Posted on 10/18/20 at 7:11 pm to
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I hate to break it to some of y’all but Memphis is just about as annoying as UCF. Those G5 fans are incorrigible.

That ain't even a bit true.

Well, maybe a little bit.
Posted by Peter167
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Posted on 10/18/20 at 7:17 pm to
Nice
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:32 am to
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Except an official organization and then the NCAA declared them Champion

The colley matrix is a mathematical algorithm. And UCF declared themselves national champions before that final computer ranking was released. And no, the NCAA does not recognize it either. That poll just happened to be one of the computer polls used in the BCS formula, which is how UCF has tried to legitimize their claim. The NCAA only recognizes Alabama LINK
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 1:33 am
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:34 am to
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If you don’t believe the CFP is rigged and the playoffs are nothing more than an invitational that are void of its own stated rules.

What do you think half the teams in every NCAA sanctioned tournament are? They’re selected, at large, by a committee.

And how are they void of their own stated rules? Their rules are to select the 4 best teams. Now, I do have my opinion on whether the committee is a better way to select teams than letting a system like the BCS select the teams, but to say they're not following their own rules is a farce.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 11:34 am
Posted by AlonsoWDC
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 9:49 am to
And you're an idiot.
Posted by msutiger
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 9:59 am to
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This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 2:52 pm
Posted by V Bainbridge
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 10:25 am to
He's right though. You Memphis fans are pretty unbearable. I would rather put up with UCF.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64754 posts
Posted on 10/19/20 at 10:28 am to
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Yeah LSU fans love to talk about what they were missing, but won't ever mention UCF was missing McKenzie Milton who carried that team for two years.



Well, LSU won, so who cares? But since you mentioned it, it sure seems like UCF has been plug and play at the QB position so I’m not really seeing that argument. Milton hasn’t played since that injury, yet UCF’s offense has stayed the same. They didn't have any trouble putting up 56 against Memphis in their conference championship game without Milton, what gives? Dare I say Milton was the product of a great system? UCF ran the ball more than they threw regardless. Milton had like 2500 yards passing through 11 games, so what are we really talking about here?

But LSU, quite literally, had guys playing that hadn't taken a snap the entire season before that game and one guy, who, quite literally, had played wide receiver his entire career until that game. As a matter of fact, I don't believe he'd played a single snap on either side if the ball in his career prior.

Again, it doesn't really matter because, as stated, LSU won, but the only reason that point was belabored was because UCF fans were acting like it was a closer game than it was. In reality, UCF was out-gained by 300 yards. They scored TDs on a hail mary at the end of the half, scored on a pick 6 on a questionable call that probaby should have been defensive holding (and targeting block on the return that wasn't called), and benefited from really horrible RZ play-calling by LSU that resulted in 3 short FGs. That game was complete dominated by a pretty good, not great LSU team.

They averaged over 270 yards rushing prior to that game and were held to 130 yards on 30 carries. They were held to under 100 yards passing against a defense that was depleted by opt outs, injuries, etc. They were averaging over 530 yards per game heading into that game and were held to less than half that. Hell, even the TOP was ridiculous. LSU held the ball for nearly 45 minutes in the game. The score just was not indicative, in the least, as to what happened, and that final score is what UCF fans held onto after that game as if it wasn't total domination. They just didn't want to accept that Auburn, the year prior, had no interest in their game because they had lost in the SECCG the game prior to miss out on the playoffs. And then really didn't want to accept that LSU exposed them for what they were, a good G5 team benefiting from playing other G5 teams for 2 years and not on the level of even a pretty good P5 team and having no business and no argument deserving to be playing in the CFPs
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 11:30 am
Posted by msutiger
Shreveport
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:47 pm to
Dillon Gabriel is a great quarterback and you are doing a disservice to both him and Milton labeling them "system quarterbacks"

So you truly believe Milton's loss didn't have any impact on UCF's offense? None? That is silly.

I dont care who LSU had out, I've heard a million times about the players they were missing, I just think it is ironic that UCF missing its best player is never mentioned. If we are going to talk about one side missing players, you need to point out that the other side is missing one of their key pieces as well.

So what is the bar to call UCF "successful":

They won 25 consecutive games and during that span beat a top tier SEC west program in a NY6 game. But, because they lost a game by one score to LSU (Stats matter, but the scoreboard matters more), they are a "Fraud"

It is impossible for a G5 school to earn respect because P5 fans will line up their usual excuses to throw out no matter what and they will keep throwing those excuses out there until that G5 loses a game and then they'll say "See!! They were a fraud all along!"

Best example of this:

G5 beats a P5 in a bowl game "P5 didn't care about the game"
P5 beats a G5 in a bowl game "See, told you they were frauds"

G5 schools cannot win with P5 fans.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64754 posts
Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:08 pm to
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Dillon Gabriel is a great quarterback and you are doing a disservice to both him and Milton labeling them "system quarterbacks"

So you truly believe Milton's loss didn't have any impact on UCF's offense? None? That is silly.

I dont care who LSU had out, I've heard a million times about the players they were missing, I just think it is ironic that UCF missing its best player is never mentioned. If we are going to talk about one side missing players, you need to point out that the other side is missing one of their key pieces as well.

My man, that bit about LSU's defense was brought up when UCF fans argued "we only lost by 8 points. If our starting QB wasn't hurt, we win that game." No need to argue dishonestly and act like them being down a QB was never mentioned. It was, plenty.

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So what is the bar to call UCF "successful":

They won 25 consecutive games and during that span beat a top tier SEC west program in a NY6 game. But, because they lost a game by one score to LSU (Stats matter, but the scoreboard matters more), they are a "Fraud"

I never called them a fraud. I just don't think they were ever on the same level as the elite P5 teams.
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It is impossible for a G5 school to earn respect because P5 fans will line up their usual excuses to throw out no matter what and they will keep throwing those excuses out there until that G5 loses a game and then they'll say "See!! They were a fraud all along!"

No it's not. Boise got respect because they went out and scheduled games against big time programs every year and didn't shy away due to them not being H&H setups like UCF has done turning down Florida on a 2 for 1 offer. You're not going to get respect by continuing to beat down on G5 schools. The only upcoming P5 schools on their schedule are GA Tech, Louisville, and UNC. Maybe they should try to get some games scheduled against some real players, otherwise, they're never going to get the respect they think they have earned. Winning 25 straight games is a great accomplishment for them, but they shouldn't get offended that an 11-2 SEC team, for instance, is more respected than a 13-0 AAC team.

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Best example of this:

G5 beats a P5 in a bowl game "P5 didn't care about the game"
P5 beats a G5 in a bowl game "See, told you they were frauds"

G5 schools cannot win with P5 fans.

Bowl games are a terrible way to evaluate how great a team is and this goes beyond G5 v P5. Most of the time in bowl games, one team is psyched to be there and the other isn't which there are obviously exceptions. That's just a fact. Bowl games have been increasingly devalued over time, and I don't think that's even debatable. If UCF went out and scheduled a game against a top 10 Florida team in the Swamp and beat them, I can guarantee you they would get plenty of respect for doing so, just like Boise did when they went down to Atlanta to play UGA and beat them down. Just like when Boise went to Eugene and beat Oregon and beat them again the following year. Who is UCF scheduling like that? The answer is no one.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 2:20 pm
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:12 pm to
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What do you think half the teams in every NCAA sanctioned tournament are? They’re selected, at large, by a committee.

And how are they void of their own stated rules? Their rules are to select the 4 best teams. Now, I do have my opinion on whether the committee is a better way to select teams than letting a system like the BCS select the teams, but to say they're not following their own rules is a farce.


Except you're missing a huge component.

Every conference is represented and there are bylaws that require specific amount of teams to be in , so again the system is rigged.

They do n0ot follow the rules we were told,ie conference championships mean something. Kirby Hocutt just shite and wiped his arse with the rules. Why did you think theres been so much complaining about Bama, Ohio St getting in when the conference champ was left to go somewhere else. In Bama's case they did not even win the division. It is an invitational not a true tournament.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64754 posts
Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:18 pm to
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They do n0ot follow the rules we were told,ie conference championships mean something.

I think you are confusing them with being important and being a requirement. there was never anything that said you were ineligible if you didn't win your conference. There is no "rule" they are failing to follow.
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It is an invitational not a true tournament.

There is never going to be a format that guarantees a spot in the playoffs to an undefeated G5 school. Nor should there be. The best you can hope for is an 8 team playoff with all the P5 conference champs getting an auto-bid and the committee choosing three at-large teams.

And a "true tournament" has nothing to do with how the participants are selected. You may need to figure out what defines a tournament before you start arguing it's not a true tournament. You not liking the method in which the teams are selected does not change that it is, in fact, a 4-team tournament.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 2:19 pm
Posted by Jorts R Us
Member since Aug 2013
14829 posts
Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:22 pm to
UCF has an inferiority complex. Wants to be counted among the big boys in the state when it hasn't earned that distinction.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:25 pm to
Yes there should be. It is P5 elitist who have been brainewashed into your line of thinking. EVERY level of football from High School to NFL but 1 has a true playoff system. Tell me why it is okay for these athletes to play more games and travel but FBS athletes can not? It is money, no other reason. It is not safety, academics, or any other reason. Explain to me why over half of the FBS is automatically eliminated from National Championship opportunity due to the conference they participate in? You can't, other than money. It is a rigged system with a simple fix, but P5 refuse to allow it. 16 teams all champions (10) with wildcards ends the charade. Shoot lets even use the by laws version that EVERY level but FBS uses 24, to include Division winners and Independents and Wild Cards can get included. But hey let's not try to be logical and just scream they don't deserve a chance.

The 24 team tournament (28 in 2/3 levels) use gives you the best team and a champion.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 2:27 pm
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
57499 posts
Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:28 pm to
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I guess sorry they took your soul and make you complain. They did what was asked of them and won every game in 2017. It’s sad that grown men in 2020 still whine about their success.



I feel like you are reading a completely different thread or something, it's not like anyone has been losing sleep over UCF football

Posted by sms151t
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:35 pm to
This was copied from November of last year (the week of November 20) using the official CFP rankings, the Division winner model.




To gain automatic entry you must win your division.

There are 19 division winners in FBS football. It punishes teams such as Notre Dame and BYU for not being in a conference forcing them to earn entry via at large. The seeding is from the CFP playoff rankings and if not ranked using the Massey Index.

17 Navy (AACW) vs 16 Appalachian St (SBCE), winner plays 1 LSU (SECW)
24 Miami, OH (MACE) vs 9 Oklahoma (B12), winner plays 8 Penn St (At Large)
20 San Diego St (MWCW) vs 13 Michigan (At Large), winner plays 4. Georgia (SECE)
21 Marshall (CUSAE) vs 12 Wisconsin (At large), winner plays 5 Alabama (At Large)

18 Louisiana (SBCA) vs 15 Boise (MWCE), winner plays 2 Ohio St (B1GE)
23 Central Michigan (MACW) vs 10 Minnesota (B1GW), winner plays 7 Utah (PACS)
19 Virginia Tech (ACCC) vs 14. Cincinnati (AACE), winner plays 3 Clemson (ACCA)
22. Louisiana Tech (CUSAW) vs 11 Florida (At Large), winner plays 6. Oregon (PACN)


It gives everyone a chance at a Title, it will give you tons of money to spread around, and can start the week after Thanksgiving and end the normal CFPCG date, plus giving them a Christmas break.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:36 pm to
Actually you need to read him complaining about UCF from 3 years ago and he could not move on. So yes they took his soul and camped in his mind. Nobody had mentioned UCF on this site all year.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64754 posts
Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:42 pm to
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Explain to me why over half of the FBS is automatically eliminated from National Championship opportunity due to the conference they participate in?

They're not. Maybe UCF should focus on playing anyone, anywhere. If they played 2-3 solid P5 opponents and took care of business, they'd be given consideration. But when their best win is against Memphis, no they're not going to receive the same value as an 11-1 Alabama team.
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16 teams all champions (10) with wildcards ends the charade.

In no universe does FBS college football need 12 regular season games, a conference championship game, and 4 playoff games to determine a champion when your teams are comprised of unpaid amateur athletes. 100% not going to happen. You talked about this coming down to money. Well, there you go. It is absolutely about money, just not how you're looking at it.
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Shoot lets even use the by laws version that EVERY level but FBS uses 24, to include Division winners and Independents and Wild Cards can get included. But hey let's not try to be logical and just scream they don't deserve a chance.

Lower divisions are only required to play 11 regular season games and do not have conference championship games. Their champions, in totality, play the same number of games that P5 schools do when you account for regular season games and playoff games.
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The 24 team tournament (28 in 2/3 levels) use gives you the best team and a champion.

a 24 team playoff WILL NEVER HAPPEN not should it happen. In no universe should a 4 loss team have the opportunity to play for a national title. It may be cool for a Cinderella team to go on a run in the basketball tournament, but it is not a great format for crowning the best team, which is exactly what would happen in this system. A 24 team playoff for major college football is a ridiculous idea. I also have no use for a team like Alabama to beat a team in round 1 by 45 points because you think it's only fair that way. It's not fair at all, actually, when the strength of divisions (conferences) are not apples to apples. It's also a waste of everyone's time and resources in a violent contact sport where every game these kids play is a threat to their future earnings. FCS and other levels don't have that problem. They don't have players with tens of millions of dollars on the line. And the NFL, a level that does, pays their players handsomely for their services.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 2:49 pm
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:49 pm to
So it is okay for FCS, D2, D3 teams to maybe have multiple losses and win a NC but not FBS team? What a messed up outlook you have. You do know there are more teams in 2 and 3 than FBS and FCS combined? So again maybe you need to readjust your thinking. It is a money and not wanting to share more than a safety or academic reason.

I mean I guess it is cool to celebrate mythical championships, unlike every other sport in the world and country.


Again, why is it okay for every football amateur except FBS play in a large playoff? The risking of millions dollars is a dumb excuse. They do not have to play if they do not want to.

For your example of blowouts, then why do we allow teams in the basketball hockey, baseball tourney. I mean people gear up to watch those games as well. UMBC and others have shown us teams that have no business winning can do it. It happens in football also....NDSU, Appy St, and many others have done it.

I know
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 2:54 pm
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