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re: Marcus Freeman > Brian Kelly?
Posted on 8/31/25 at 11:06 pm to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 8/31/25 at 11:06 pm to Bunk Moreland
Freeman is in for a world of hurt. He's been winning with what BK built. Its all up to him now and won't be pretty.
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Posted on 8/31/25 at 11:10 pm to Mr Roboto
He can lose two more games with their garbage schedule and still make the playoffs
This post was edited on 8/31/25 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 8/31/25 at 11:40 pm to Mr Roboto
quote:
Freeman is in for a world of hurt. He's been winning with what BK built. Its all up to him now and won't be pretty.
Freeman can get skill guys to ND. Their receivers as a whole are better than anything Kelly ever really got there.
But
Their Oline looked bad, and Kelly has proven he can build from the inside out and LSU has quality skill guys falling from trees because of the recruiting ground.
Kelly has adapted well to the transfer portal and freeman is also a very good recruiter. The next couple of years are going to be interesting for these programs.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 11:43 pm to Bunk Moreland
I know Bunk Moreland and you sir are no Bunk Moreland.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 7:47 am to Sun God
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He can lose two more games with their garbage schedule and still make the playoffs
This argument doesn't apply, this year. The front half of their schedule is as challenging as anyone else.
@ Miami (Loss)
I could see Notre Dame losing 2 or 3 of the following:
vs Texas A&M
@ Arkansas (Trap Game)
vs Boise State (Though not as strong as it looked preseason)
vs USCw
@ Pitt
Posted on 9/1/25 at 10:31 am to Bunk Moreland
Why do LSU fans hate Marcus Freeman so much?
It drives them absolutely bonkers that ND fans don’t miss BK. They are happy, you are supposedly happy. Why do they irrationally hate what seems like a genuinely good dude?
It drives them absolutely bonkers that ND fans don’t miss BK. They are happy, you are supposedly happy. Why do they irrationally hate what seems like a genuinely good dude?
Posted on 9/1/25 at 10:42 am to Bunk Moreland
Molly McGrath loves her some Marcus Freeman
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:04 am to msutiger
quote:
Why do LSU fans hate Marcus Freeman so much?
It drives them absolutely bonkers that ND fans don’t miss BK.
I personally dont and I agree that some will go at arms length to discredit him. Hell a lot of LSU fans dont even like Kelly.
Obviously BK is the better HC currently. He has a 25yr headstart.
Problem is Freeman has done the same as Kelly- I NCG appearance in his short time and Notre Dame even had to vacate theirs in 2012.
Kelly best season so far w/ LSU the year after O left, winning the West.
I do believe we have good a shot as any winning it all this year.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:05 am to msutiger
quote:
Why do LSU fans hate Marcus Freeman so much?
It drives them absolutely bonkers that ND fans don’t miss BK. They are happy, you are supposedly happy. Why do they irrationally hate what seems like a genuinely good dude?
I don't think anyone hates Freeman and think it has more to do with national sports media selling Freeman as the next Nick Saban and doing things never before seen at Notre Dame, when all he has done is have 1 great season in which he matched what Kelly did there.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:44 am to msutiger
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Why do LSU fans hate Marcus Freeman so much? It drives them absolutely bonkers that ND fans don’t miss BK. They are happy, you are supposedly happy. Why do they irrationally hate what seems like a genuinely good dude?
Think you summed it up. They also love to claim it is a “DEI” hire because it’s his first head coaching job and he’s half black. Ignoring he’s not even the first black coach at ND or first time they’ve hired someone as HC who has never been a HC before. There was maybe an argue it was short sighted at the time but he’s accomplished more than anyone in the last 30 years not named BK and we are in week 1 of year 3.
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 11:45 am
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:15 pm to lionward2014
A big part of it was media driven
They were stunned that someone would leave ND for LSU
Freeman has done a good job there no doubt
I often wonder if BK would’ve still left ND with NIL and the 12 team playoff
The DEI shite you’re claiming is laughable
They were stunned that someone would leave ND for LSU
Freeman has done a good job there no doubt
I often wonder if BK would’ve still left ND with NIL and the 12 team playoff
The DEI shite you’re claiming is laughable
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:40 pm to Sun God
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They were stunned that someone would leave ND for LSU
As they should be, ND was, and should be, a destination job. BK wasn’t wrong for leaving though, Swarbrick wasn’t giving him the support he needed. Which leads to this point:
quote:
I often wonder if BK would’ve still left ND with NIL and the 12 team playoff
BK was the wake up call they needed to get their head out their arse and get serious about competing again. Does that happen without BK leaving we will never know but if he gets the support Freeman has now it’s a lot closer decision. ND realized they couldn’t recruit on name brand alone 35 years removed from their last natty when every big program is on national TV every Saturday.
I think the relationship was starting to run its course for all sides. The fan base was tired of his antics and lack of winning big games, and he was fed up with the fan base and athletic department. He was never going to be fired but when a program like LSU, that is always all in, offers you $100m you run just like he did.
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The DEI shite you’re claiming is laughable
I can go find some old threads and pull quotes if you like.
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:45 pm to lionward2014
And I would laugh at any you could pull because I guarantee they were made by retards
The Freeman hate is 100% because he was claimed to be an upgrade and the sports media world laughed at BK. Freeman so far has done a great job making LSU fans like myself look dumb
Rest of your post is right on the money
The Freeman hate is 100% because he was claimed to be an upgrade and the sports media world laughed at BK. Freeman so far has done a great job making LSU fans like myself look dumb
Rest of your post is right on the money
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:52 pm to Sun God
quote:
And I would laugh at any you could pull because I guarantee they were made by retards
Got it, misunderstood your point. Yes, it was a retarded take then, and especially now.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:55 pm to Sun God
quote:Freeman has been quite good, but he isn't doing anything particularly novel at ND. Pretending he's massively elevated the program is where I take offense considering the state of the program from the beginning versus the ending of the Kelly tenure. ND was always THE program that stood to gain the most from being able to legally pay players.
The Freeman hate is 100% because he was claimed to be an upgrade and the sports media world laughed at BK. Freeman so far has done a great job making LSU fans like myself look dumb
ND has not taken a dramatic step forward, and it's dumb to pretend like Kelly and Freeman were operating within the same framework.
I'm not clamoring to have a beer with Kelly, but I've been very happy with the program generally under him and ND fans should be similarly happy with Freeman. It worked out for everyone IMO.
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:01 pm to Sun God
BK was hamstrung at ND because of the academic requirements.There aren’t many highly rated 4 and 5 stars who can qualify to go there.Whether or not that has changed I don’t know.You need numbers to gain quality depth to win it all.With the talent the get their schedule is perfect.IfND played in the SEC week in and out they would lose3 or4 games a year.they can’t get the great DL they need to survive for 4 quarters .LSU has had that problem the last 3seasons.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:01 pm to Louie T
Coordinators taking over HC duties rarely work out at all so in that regard Freeman has been a pretty massive success
Kelly still Kelly’s a couple times a year, I hope he can get over that this season
Overall both programs have to be happy with what’s going on
Kelly still Kelly’s a couple times a year, I hope he can get over that this season
Overall both programs have to be happy with what’s going on
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:02 pm to Sun God
quote:End of the 1H Saturday was the worst example of this
Kelly still Kelly’s a couple times a year, I hope he can get over that this season
quote:Don't tell that to the rant a few weeks ago or the national media. They seem ready to believe LSU is paying a gazillion bucks to can him over an 8-4 year with a top 10 SOS.
Overall both programs have to be happy with what’s going on
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:03 pm to RGT
That’s why I wonder if BK would’ve ever left there before NIL, expanded playoffs, and NDs change in philosophy
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:03 pm to Louie T
Super conservative at end of 2H wasn’t great either 
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