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re: Magically the PGA found extra money!!!
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:50 am to Dawgsontop34
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:50 am to Dawgsontop34
They just want to be willfully obtuse to make the PGA this evil boogeyman. The players were going to bail on the PGA no matter what if money was their main incentive. Airing grievances is just a crutch to soften the public perception blow. Besides Phil, who was always bitching at something, you never heard these players complaining about Jay and the PGA tour before….
Hell, Brooks did the opposite. He outright made fun of LIV and backed the tour
frick, to be honest, the posters on this site seem to have more issues with the PGA tour then the actual players leaving for LIV. You don’t need to make up these evil doings of the PGA tour. LIV offered money and they took it. It’s not much deeper than that
Hell, Brooks did the opposite. He outright made fun of LIV and backed the tour
frick, to be honest, the posters on this site seem to have more issues with the PGA tour then the actual players leaving for LIV. You don’t need to make up these evil doings of the PGA tour. LIV offered money and they took it. It’s not much deeper than that
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 10:53 am
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:55 am to bamameister
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Then perhaps they should change their business model to compete.
usually happens with organizations in the same line of work...no other tours compete with the PGA so why change? NFL, NBA and MLB aren't set up to compete with Saudi oil money either
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:01 am to Dawgsontop34
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The issue is that LIV is not going to make money.
So it’s nearly impossible to compete monetarily with a company that knows it’s going to lose $ going forward.
That has nothing to do with the PGA business model they've chosen. The players have been lowballed for decades and there may be nothing the PGA can do at this late date.
But hanging with this archaic business model of charities first isn't going to make things more lucrative for all the players on tour. If anything, the second tier of PGA players really took it on the chin yesterday.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:09 am to bamameister
quote:According to who?
The players have been lowballed for decades
You? For the last decades players continued to make more money and were overall happy. A foreign body coming in with oil money not tied to profits in no way shows the players were lowballed. The players will now make more money because their is a disruption to the market. But just because a commodity or asset is worth more today, doesn’t mean it was “lowballed” before.
If you sold your house two years ago, you sold for a lot less than it’s worth tkday. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t lowballed back then
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:09 am to bamameister
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The players have been lowballed for decades
is this opinion or fact?
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:11 am to Topwater Trout
It’s an Incorrect statement is what it was. Lowballed would mean there was another golf tour paying more the last decade. Where was it? Who was paying players more that the PGA tour was keeping their players with lowball money
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 11:11 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:13 am to Topwater Trout
I've seen two dudes suck the dick Of the PGA as you two weirdos. Are gotten kickbacks from the PGA? 
Hypocrites unite!
Hypocrites unite!
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:15 am to Topwater Trout
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usually happens with organizations in the same line of work...no other tours compete with the PGA so why change? NFL, NBA and MLB aren't set up to compete with Saudi oil money either
Who's fault is that? The PGA made it clear that even though these guys are referred to as free agents or independent contractors they can exercise their independence only where they say they can go. Many LIV golfers would readily play the PGA tour, but they've been banned.
Meanwhile, LIV has banned no one or kept any players from playing the PGA or DP Tour or anywhere else in the 23 golf leagues worldwide.
And now we all should sit around and have a crying jag about how unfair it is that the PGA can't compete for players vs LIV with deep pockets when it's the PGA that continues to this day to ban those who would play both tours?
How can anyone have an ounce of pity for a PGA business that keeps cutting its own throat? Monahan is still setting all the rules, let's see if he can live with them?
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:16 am to lsupride87
Exactly. Guys were ecstatic to make millions playing golf until some put it in their head they are getting screwed. I remember when Nicklaus would make 80k for winning. Hell just 10-15 yrs ago 1 mil was considered awesome to win as the champ.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:17 am to Taurus
quote:I find it interesting my posts are defending the PGA and sucking their dick, but your posts and others doing the same for LIV aren’t. Interesting
I've seen two dudes suck the dick Of the PGA as you two weirdos. Are gotten kickbacks from the PGA? Hypocrites unite!
What’s the word for that? Oh yeh
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Hypocrites unite!
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 11:18 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:18 am to Taurus
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I've seen two dudes suck the dick Of the PGA
kind of funny when you use a zodiac sign for your user name...that's pretty gay
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Taurus
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:21 am to lsupride87
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It’s an Incorrect statement is what it was. Lowballed would mean there was another golf tour paying more the last decade. Where was it? Who was paying players more that the PGA tour was keeping their players with lowball money
Lowballing is when a PGA player feels they were receiving 26% of the PGA total revenue. The fact that the players had little option but to complain up to LIV was problematic.
That's how free agency happened in other major sports. That's why player's unions were formed. That's why a strong CBA can level a financial field in a hurry.
But then the PGA wasn't having that either.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:22 am to bamameister
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And now we all should sit around and have a crying jag about how unfair it is that the PGA can't compete for players vs LIV with deep pockets when it's the PGA that continues to this day to ban those who would play both tours?
You do realize the ramifications of allowing them to go back and forth right? for one it would mean losing some current tournaments bc there would be a lack of interest for players to play on the 8 weekends the LIV tournaments are scheduled...which would mean more loss of tv revenue, tickets, sales, etc. It's not as easy as saying "hey lets just let them play the other 8 tournaments when we have contracts in place at venues and need a full field".
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:25 am to lsupride87
You repeatedly ripped the players for taking money, yet the PGA and Europe like the same. And from China. Do you hypocrites like for PGA money from China? Saudis?
We get our oil from Saudis. We are hypocrites. Time you idiots own it.
We get our oil from Saudis. We are hypocrites. Time you idiots own it.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:26 am to Taurus
quote:Where? LIV 100% makes sense for players that want more money. It’s a no brainer
You repeatedly ripped the players for taking money
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 11:28 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:27 am to bamameister
quote:Thats actually just called a Phil lie
Lowballing is when a PGA player feels they were receiving 26% of the PGA total revenue
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:29 am to Topwater Trout
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what happened first.
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players weren't satisfied with purses being offered
And requested transparency which was denied.
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then LIV became a possibility
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 11:30 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:31 am to BBONDS25
quote:You keep saying this but do you have any proof of that besides Phil’s ramblings? Where is any report or proofs the players on the board don’t get access to financials
And requested transparency which was denied.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:32 am to Topwater Trout
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You do realize the ramifications of allowing them to go back and forth right?
You just stated that the PGA CAN NOT compete. Sue for peace. Instead, they are setting all the rules of engagement.
There are 23 professional golf leagues worldwide. The PGA has simulated all of them into their current business model. Players are granted "releases" to one and all. Including the "Saudi International." But not LIV.
Sounds like the PGA is picking this fight that you say they can't win.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:33 am to bamameister
Why is the PGA the ultimate tour in golf?
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