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re: Looking @ the Big 12 OOC Power 5 wins, thankfully the Big Ten still counts
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:32 am to Sevendust912
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:32 am to Sevendust912
if Notre Dame wins out they will be in the playoff with their schedule
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Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:33 am to Buckeye06
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. Both conference champs
K-State harder schedule and in a better conference.
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will bring fans
Then you don't know K-State. We all know tOSU travels b/c the base is so huge. K-State will bring their entire fan base to a bowl game.
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and has top 5 recruiting classes.
Irrelevant to this topic.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:34 am to TigerintheNO
Hmm..ND needs Stanford, Arizona State and USC to finish strong.
Schedule is just avg right now
Schedule is just avg right now
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:35 am to rocket31
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Schedule is just avg right now
Notre Dame plays FBS teams every single week, though. That counts for a lot.
Arizona State should have 1 loss when they play Notre Dame.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:37 am to BayouBengals03
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K-State would have wins @Oklahoma, @West Virginia, @TCU, and @Baylor.
All of those teams would be ranked, most of them in the top 10 or top 15.
That's just not true. Oklahoma still has Baylor, they lose that game, they aren't in the top 15. Baylor losses that game, they may drop. WVU with 3 losses, if KSU beats them, not top 15.
If you use rankings when games are played, sure. But by the end, the Big 12 is going to have 1 team with 1 loss tops, maybe 1 with 2 losses, then probably two or thee with 3-4 losses.
I think the resumes get closer the more games are played
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:37 am to BayouBengals03
It should but beating a bunch of avg teams doesn't mean much in the eyes of the committee. Obviously.
Need those marque Ws.
Stanford v Oregon and ASU v Utah is huge this week for ND
Need those marque Ws.
Stanford v Oregon and ASU v Utah is huge this week for ND
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:37 am to rocket31
Big 10 wins over Power 5 Conferences:
Indiana over Missouri - Probably best win for Big 10
Rutgers over Washington State - Wazzu worst team in Pac 12 North
Iowa over Pitt - Pitt lost a lot worse to Akron at home the next week
Maryland over Syracuse - Syracuse is below average at best
Nebraska over Miami - Miami is a 6-6 team likely
Indiana over Missouri - Probably best win for Big 10
Rutgers over Washington State - Wazzu worst team in Pac 12 North
Iowa over Pitt - Pitt lost a lot worse to Akron at home the next week
Maryland over Syracuse - Syracuse is below average at best
Nebraska over Miami - Miami is a 6-6 team likely
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:40 am to Buckeye06
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That's just not true. Oklahoma still has Baylor, they lose that game, they aren't in the top 15. Baylor losses that game, they may drop. WVU with 3 losses, if KSU beats them, not top 15.
I mean, it's usually what they're ranked when you play them.
Baylor isn't winning at Oklahoma, so both will remain ranked, most likely.
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If you use rankings when games are played, sure. But by the end, the Big 12 is going to have 1 team with 1 loss tops, maybe 1 with 2 losses, then probably two or thee with 3-4 losses.
I think the resumes get closer the more games are played
You can't penalize a conference for "beating each other up" when the other conference (Big Ten) doesn't have enough good teams to do the same.
Kansas State, Oklahoma, West Virginia, TCU, and Baylor are all good teams. If West Virginia beats TCU this weekend (they could, it's a good matchup), all 5 of those teams will likely be ranked in the CFP poll until the end of the season.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:41 am to goldennugget
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goldennugget
As the OP said, the Big 12 doesn't look hot OOC either, may have less good wins actually, and the B1G doesn't have many good wins at all
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:41 am to rocket31
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Stanford v Oregon and ASU v Utah is huge this week for ND
Arizona State has the opportunity to beat four 1-loss teams from this point on.
Utah, Notre Dame, Arizona, and Oregon.
Obviously, Arizona is a long shot, because they aren't that good. But the other 3 are very likely, IMO. Utah is a given, obviously.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:52 am to rolltide32
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Minnesota is such a fraud. They can't beat anyone of quality under Jerry Kill.
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Didn't they go from 8-2 to 8-5 last year
Yup! Though their lone AP Top 25 win under Kill was last season v. Nebraska, they spend most of their time beating awful OOC teams and the bottom-feeders of the B1G then lose games down the stretch against the quality teams in the B1G.
What you referenced was when they started 8-2 then proceeded to finish their season with losses to Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Syracuse.
They didn't score an offensive TD against Wisconsin or MSU. This is my bitterness talking, but frick Minnesota.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:54 am to hoopsgalore
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Yup! Though their lone AP Top 25 win under Kill was last season v. Nebraska, they spend most of their time beating awful OOC teams and the bottom-feeders of the B1G then lose games down the stretch against the quality teams in the B1G.
Sounds a lot like Baylor recently
Edit: could actually say it sounds a lot like OSU lately...sadly for me
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 11:55 am
Posted on 10/30/14 at 12:04 pm to Buckeye06
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As the OP said, the Big 12 doesn't look hot OOC either, may have less good wins actually, and the B1G doesn't have many good wins at all
The difference is that the Big 12 doesn't have the bad losses that the Big 10 does
And the Big 10 has 4 non conference games so they had extra chances to schedule better non conference teams and didn't
Posted on 10/30/14 at 12:07 pm to goldennugget
You could also say that the B12 had less chances to have bad OOC losses, see how that works?
fricking idiot.
fricking idiot.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 1:27 pm to KosmoCramer
I have a bad feeling about the Big 12 getting a team into the playoff, I just don't think it will happen. Feel like we'll just keep beating each other and end up with a 2 loss champ.
(prays that a 2 loss WV is enough for the playoff
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(prays that a 2 loss WV is enough for the playoff
)Posted on 10/30/14 at 2:43 pm to TigerintheNO
the ksu/auburn and wvu/alabama matchups are interesting because they are relatively rare - ooc matchups between teams at about the same position in the conference
I don't make very much of fsu beating ok state, tt vs arkansas, or tcu vs minnesota
FWiW other conferences can safely argue more than the bottom half of the SEC is really pretty terrible this year:
Florida - Several years in Boom's team fields a less potent offense than Hamilton Burger. Two close wins against Tennessee and Kentucky and a close loss against LSU leave them sitting in third place in the East. That says terrible, terrible things about five of the seven teams in the East
Tennessee - not even competitive in games against OU, Bama, and Ole Miss plus losing their game against Florida leaves them winless in SEC play, in the lesser division. They close the year against Vandy - which really could be their first SEC win of the year if you look ahead
Vandy - raise your hand if you miss Franklin, or lost to Temple, Kentucky, and Missouri
South Carolina - losses to Kentucky, Missouri and A&M look bad - even when you give them credit for beating UGA.
Kentucky - the big surprise is them beating USC, which says unexpectedly bad things about USC IMO. They play no one ooc until Louisville
Arkansas - beating Texas Tech is better than losing to them but nothing to brag about. How many years now since a win in the SEC?
Missouri - lost at home to Indiana. period, end of story.
Texas A&M - an opener against USC led to all sorts of excitement but they were absolutely humiliated against Alabama (appeared to just give up) and the result was a aggiesque blowout that probably makes certain major changes in personnel and perhaps philosophy at the end of the year. Winning two of their last three against Missouri, Auburn, and LSU seems unlikely, but that's what they'd need to accomplish to finish .500 in SEC play
I don't make very much of fsu beating ok state, tt vs arkansas, or tcu vs minnesota
FWiW other conferences can safely argue more than the bottom half of the SEC is really pretty terrible this year:
Florida - Several years in Boom's team fields a less potent offense than Hamilton Burger. Two close wins against Tennessee and Kentucky and a close loss against LSU leave them sitting in third place in the East. That says terrible, terrible things about five of the seven teams in the East
Tennessee - not even competitive in games against OU, Bama, and Ole Miss plus losing their game against Florida leaves them winless in SEC play, in the lesser division. They close the year against Vandy - which really could be their first SEC win of the year if you look ahead
Vandy - raise your hand if you miss Franklin, or lost to Temple, Kentucky, and Missouri
South Carolina - losses to Kentucky, Missouri and A&M look bad - even when you give them credit for beating UGA.
Kentucky - the big surprise is them beating USC, which says unexpectedly bad things about USC IMO. They play no one ooc until Louisville
Arkansas - beating Texas Tech is better than losing to them but nothing to brag about. How many years now since a win in the SEC?
Missouri - lost at home to Indiana. period, end of story.
Texas A&M - an opener against USC led to all sorts of excitement but they were absolutely humiliated against Alabama (appeared to just give up) and the result was a aggiesque blowout that probably makes certain major changes in personnel and perhaps philosophy at the end of the year. Winning two of their last three against Missouri, Auburn, and LSU seems unlikely, but that's what they'd need to accomplish to finish .500 in SEC play
Posted on 10/30/14 at 2:46 pm to molsusports
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the ksu/auburn and wvu/alabama matchups are interesting because they are relatively rare - ooc matchups between teams at about the same position in the conference
Interesting now, but not before the games were played. I don't think anyone had KSU/WVU doing much this year
Posted on 10/30/14 at 2:53 pm to BayouBengals03
The Big XII is crazy awesome this year. Sucks the media is slobbing so much over the SEC West. How the Big XII finishes is gonna be insane.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 2:53 pm to Buckeye06
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Interesting now, but not before the games were played. I don't think anyone had KSU/WVU doing much this year
I think both were expected to rebound but neither were expected to beat out OU or Baylor for the Big 12 championship. So I agree, especially since WVU was really down last year and it felt like they could go either way this year
Posted on 10/30/14 at 2:57 pm to molsusports
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the ksu/auburn and wvu/alabama matchups are interesting because they are relatively rare - ooc matchups between teams at about the same position in the conference
LSU/Wisconsin
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