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re: LHSAA votes - how will it go?
Posted on 2/1/20 at 11:35 am to Jim Rockford
Posted on 2/1/20 at 11:35 am to Jim Rockford
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You say that until you're a rural public school that winds up in the same district as an Evangel in its heyday. Your season is irrelevant before it starts and the best you can hope for is a moral victory by staying within five touchdowns. Or you have your best tean in 20 years and get blown out by John Curtis in the second round of the playoffs.
This is ridiculous .....This statement perfectly sums up the problem, and explains what everyone means when they say the LHSAA is punishing the masses for the crimes of a few. When you talk about teams getting blown away by Evangel and Curtis, do you honestly believe that the public schools are different than the private schools in this scenario? Do you not think these schools were blowing away every other private schools as well? Just because there are a couple of schools like that, how does that create a situation where every private school is at fault?
I watched high school football every week back when Curtis was in 2A, and they demolished everyone, public or private. This problem got fixed not because of the split, but because Curtis wanted good competition so they voluntarily moved themselves up to 5A.
In my opinion, that is the answer. Not every school is going to voluntarily do that, but why can’t the LHSAA do that? Rather than worrying about a multiplier based on public or private, create a rule where you move up in class based on your success, so that at that at the end of the day everyone is playing against schools who are similar in skill to them, rather than just based on size or select.
Obviously, this would not be a perfect system because skill level changes as people graduate, but it would certainly be something.
And this should be done in every sport, not just football. Look at volleyball. Country Day is in Division V, the smallest division. They have won state 10 out of the last 11 years, and they blow away everyone. Their team is equivalent skill wise to Mount Carmel and Dominican, and they should be playing in division I with them.
But it is absolutely ridiculous to say that the fact that there are a couple of private schools who recruit to such an extent that they blow away everyone is a sufficient reason to completely separate the entire system.
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Posted on 2/1/20 at 11:58 am to jimmy the leg
quote:some of these people act like Curtis gets to play with 12 and they have to play with 10
But to compare some rural school to a football factory like Curtis as though they are on equal footing is disingenuous imho.
Posted on 2/1/20 at 12:09 pm to whodat77
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Curtis wanted good competition so they voluntarily moved themselves up to 5A.
4A**
Posted on 2/1/20 at 12:18 pm to Lester Earl
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4A**
Incorrect, they are Class 5A, District 9.
Posted on 2/1/20 at 12:25 pm to whodat77
I thought you meant the first time they moved up.
Curtis player 2A in the 70’s & part of the 80’s before going to 3A and eventually 4A in the 90’s. They never did make the jump to 5a until recently
Curtis player 2A in the 70’s & part of the 80’s before going to 3A and eventually 4A in the 90’s. They never did make the jump to 5a until recently
Posted on 2/1/20 at 12:27 pm to chalmetteowl
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some of these people act like Curtis gets to play with 12 and they have to play with 10
Exactly. And, I hope every public school realizes that the Catholic league complains about Curtis and its recruiting tactics as much as the public schools did. I think if it were up to the private schools, Curtis would be told to go play with other IMG Academies.
I completely agree that recruiting is often done unfairly. But as many of said, both public and private regularly recruit. I guess the main difference is private schools have more to offer, as they can offer a scholarship, whereas a public school is already free.
But the bottom line is, fair or unfair, the schools like Curtis, or Evangel, or LCA, that are getting grief for recruiting, are obviously strong programs with or without the recruits. It may be a circular argument, but the reason that they are able to attract recruits is that they already are a strong established program.
Go look at New Orleans uptown private schools? You don’t think they spend as much money, if not more, then Curtis does recruiting for football and basketball? No one complains about them because they are not winning state. But as soon as they start winning, people will notice how many people they have on the roster that were inappropriately recruited, and people will complain.
And therein lies the problem. If recruiting is the issue, LHSAA needs to spend the time and resources to regularly investigate any and all out of district kids, and they need to crack down on all schools rather than just complaining about a few. I know there is only so much you can do, but just asking around, it’s pretty easy to figure out what’s going on at most of the schools.
Posted on 2/1/20 at 12:36 pm to Lester Earl
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I thought you meant the first time they moved up.
Curtis player 2A in the 70’s & part of the 80’s before going to 3A and eventually 4A in the 90’s. They never did make the jump to 5a until recently
Sorry, yes, I am talking about very recently. I honestly don’t know what happened wayback then. In the 2000s, they were in 2A all the way until the football split. After the split, they moved up to 3A for two years, and I believe they finally moved up to 5A in 2015. So yes, they definitely dominated for way too long before moving up, but they finally did the right thing.
Posted on 2/1/20 at 12:39 pm to whodat77
quote:that just means they’re starting in a $10,000 hole
uess the main difference is private schools have more to offer, as they can offer a scholarship, whereas a public school is already free.
Posted on 2/1/20 at 12:40 pm to whodat77
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. In the 2000s, they were in 2A all the way until the football split. After the split, they moved up to 3A for two years, and
2004 till the split. Play in class rule sent them down. Play in class created by 3 north la and 5 south la schools. BIG. Schools. Several private.....
And hold backs have a bigger impact than “recruiting”.
This post was edited on 2/1/20 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 2/1/20 at 1:49 pm to chalmetteowl
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some of these people act like Curtis gets to play with 12 and they have to play with 10
With the quality atletes Curtis has, they could play with ten while the traditional podunk school plays with 12...and it wouldn't make much of a difference. Look, I want the split to go away. However, to act as though there aren't shenanigans going on at times doesn't compute. That includes magnet schools etc. In the prior discussion, the subject was a traditional public school (in this case rural north Louisiana). If you can't see two distinct circumstances when comparing the two situations (where one school has a decided advantage based solely on the athletes), then you are either willfully ignorant, or disingenuous.
FWIW, I say do away with districts and classifications. Take TOTAL ownership of your schedule. Only the top 32 get to play for THE state championship. To hell with the "everybody gets a trophy" mindset.
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