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LHSAA Power Rankings questions.
Posted on 11/2/13 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 11/2/13 at 1:44 pm
From out of state and notice every year they seed state champ brackets by this so have some questions.
Do they just release only once a year? Is there a formula that they go by? Can schools manipulate the formula? Is there a committee?
Do they just release only once a year? Is there a formula that they go by? Can schools manipulate the formula? Is there a committee?
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Posted on 11/2/13 at 2:27 pm to sms151t
Yes there is a formula they go by. Adds in wins and losses, opponent wins, class level. Pretty damn good formula. Cannot be manipulated. Rewards you based on who you play. No committee.
People seem happy with it. What people generally don't like is the travel rule come playoff time.
You can check power rankings on Louisianasportsline.com and kenramsey.com
People seem happy with it. What people generally don't like is the travel rule come playoff time.
You can check power rankings on Louisianasportsline.com and kenramsey.com
This post was edited on 11/2/13 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 11/2/13 at 2:34 pm to sms151t
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Do they just release only once a year?
Yes. The offical brackets are released at the end of the regular season.
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Is there a formula that they go by?
Yes, there is a formula, kinda like the BCS rankings, just not as complicated.
A win nets a team 10 points plus the # of wins of the opponent. Ex, say your opponents record is 7-3 at the end of the year, your team gets 10 pts for the win plus another 7 points. 10+7=17 points.
Also, a team gets extra pts for 'playing up' in classification. Lets say team A plays team B. Team A is class 2 team while team B is a class 5. Team A gets a few extra points for playing team B.
The points are totaled up at the end of the season and divided by the number of games played by the team.
Ex. A team finishes with 120 total power points and has played 10 regular season games. That team finishes with 12 Power points ~ 120/10= 12
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Can schools manipulate the formula?
Somewhat, teams can 'play up' in classification, getting more power points.
*Also, there have been many accusations of teams intentional 'losing games', especially at the end of the season, to get on the opposite bracket of a stronger team.
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Is there a committee?
Yes, its the LHSAA.
Posted on 11/2/13 at 2:37 pm to TheBob
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People seem happy with it. What people generally don't like is the travel rule come playoff time.
The rankings are pretty good, but I don't like how you wind up with something like Hahnville/Airline in the first round. Travel can be ridiculous. And expensive.
The only serious issue I have is the good teams are punished in the 2nd round if their next opponent is upset.
For example, you fight all year to be the 1 seed. Then the 17 upsets the 16, and you have to travel because "it isn't fair" to make the 17 play two road games. If the 17 wants a home game, they should have won more games in the regular season.
Posted on 11/2/13 at 3:17 pm to lsutigers1992
The power rankings were an excellent idea and were implemented in their current form for the 1999 playoffs.
The home game rule is so behind the times though. Supporters of it say high school isn't the nfl, but it just makes sense to reward the best teams in the regular season...
It dates from a time when principals wanted every team to travel and it might have been risky, but school bus travel and our roads are much safer since those days...
The home game rule is so behind the times though. Supporters of it say high school isn't the nfl, but it just makes sense to reward the best teams in the regular season...
It dates from a time when principals wanted every team to travel and it might have been risky, but school bus travel and our roads are much safer since those days...
This post was edited on 11/2/13 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 11/2/13 at 3:21 pm to Reubaltaich
So they release rankings starting when so schools can "intentionally" lose?
So if you win your district and you're awful and lose every non district game you can be left out?
Are you rewarded for playing up and losing?
So if you win your district and you're awful and lose every non district game you can be left out?
Are you rewarded for playing up and losing?
Posted on 11/2/13 at 3:43 pm to sms151t
I can't answer those questions with certainty
I'm pretty sure that no district champ has missed the playoffs, but they are not guaranteed a top seed. They get the seed they deserved even though their record might be inflated because they play in a bad district. For example, a 6-4 5A team coming out of Lafayette/Lake Charles is usually light years better than an unbeaten or one loss team coming out of Terrebonne or Lafourche.
For example, last year I think South Lafourche rolled through the regular season, only got an 8 or 9 seed, and then got rolled at home.
I'm pretty sure that no district champ has missed the playoffs, but they are not guaranteed a top seed. They get the seed they deserved even though their record might be inflated because they play in a bad district. For example, a 6-4 5A team coming out of Lafayette/Lake Charles is usually light years better than an unbeaten or one loss team coming out of Terrebonne or Lafourche.
For example, last year I think South Lafourche rolled through the regular season, only got an 8 or 9 seed, and then got rolled at home.
This post was edited on 11/2/13 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 11/2/13 at 4:10 pm to sms151t
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So they release rankings starting when so schools can "intentionally" lose?
Most teams have a pretty good idea of where they are going to end up in the power rankings after week nine.
I am not trying to single out one team but for the sake of discussion lets just say a team knows that John Curtis is going to be the number 1 seed and it appears this team is going to be a 4 seed with a final win of the season.
In order to avoid being on the same side of the bracket of JC, this team may 'intentionally' lose the game to get placed in the bracket opposite of JC.
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So if you win your district and you're awful and lose every non district game you can be left out?
The top 32 teams in the power rankings are selected for the playoffs and they are paired up in a standard bracket.
Now the way I understand it, if a team wins their district but is not in the top 32 of the power rankings, the #32 seed is eliminated and that district champion is placed in the #32 slot.
District champions are awarded an automtatic spot in the playoffs.
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Are you rewarded for playing up and losing?
Yes, you will get a few points, not many though.
Posted on 11/2/13 at 4:32 pm to Reubaltaich
Its two points per class you play up.
example 3a patterson plays 5a east ascension. Patterson is guaranteed 4 points no matter what happens in the game
example 3a patterson plays 5a east ascension. Patterson is guaranteed 4 points no matter what happens in the game
Posted on 11/2/13 at 4:47 pm to Reubaltaich
When you tank a game its still a crapshoot bc your opponents winning might put you on that side of the bracket anyway... Also I don't like the strategy bc both sides should be pretty equal anyway in most cases
This post was edited on 11/2/13 at 4:50 pm
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