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re: Lebron averaged 34.5, 8.5, and 10
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:41 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:41 pm to Goldrush25
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So no help and insufficient help are synonymous statements to you?
In terms of being a GM? Yes. If I do not have a sufficient amount of help on my team, I have done a poor job putting it together.
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Poor job? Not at all. Cavs could probably beat all but the GSW in a series. How is that doing a bad job?
So, then he has done a good job as LeGM, and has sufficient help?
You're arguing both ways here.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 3:42 pm
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Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:42 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:He doesn't have enough help to beat one of the greatest teams we've ever seen.
So, he's done a good job building his team, but at the same time he has no help? I mean which is it.
If the barometer to be a good GM is be better than the 2nd or 3rd best team ever, then no he hasn't done a good job.
But I'd ask how is that a reasonable barometer?
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This entire playoffs we've heard how he has no help. The argument hasn't been, CLE is a really good team, but not as good as GS. Even against the east teams, it has been that CLE is pretty inept outside LeBron.
So, which is it? Good job as a LeGM or CLE is a bad team outside LeBron?
He also did not pull the trigger on the Kyrie deal and did not have any say in the deadline deals, so there's that as well. Those have been well reported.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:43 pm to dukke v
quote:Make sure I get one of those wedding invitations when you and Bengal decide to take that next step.
Nice try at flipping shite
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:44 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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In terms of being a GM? Yes. If I do not have a sufficient amount of help on my team, I have done a poor job putting it together.
None and insufficient are not synonyms. You have an issue with reading comprehension.
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So, then he has done a good job as LeGM, and has sufficient help?
Vs every other team, his help is sufficient. Vs the Warriors, they don't have sufficient help.
I feel like I'm talking in circles, or to a child. What is so hard to understand here?
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:44 pm to shel311
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He also did not pull the trigger on the Kyrie deal and did not have any say in the deadline deals, so there's that as well. Those have been well reported.
He gets what he wants because he's leGOAT...except he doesnt and it;s not his fault. But he is the one who gets to make those choices, but when they go bad theyre not his fault. SWEPT.
GOAT.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:44 pm to CptBengal
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they believe leWalk is da bestest. So therefore whatever argument meets that requirement is what they make.
The funny part is I feel like I'm pretty pro-LeBron in comparison to this board.
In reality, I think the question of him vs MJ is very arguable and it's silly to argue before LeBron concludes his career. He likely has some pretty good years left, and why not judge the full resume.
MJ was incredible. I'm lucky to have watched him play.
I just have an issue with ignoring things like the talent of the teams they were on and the talent of the teams they played against. Those are real factors that influence wins and losses. It's not Space Jam. Prime MJ wasn't a miracle worker.
The Warriors are better than any Finals opponent MJ had. I think it's dumb to deny simple facts like that.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:45 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:More in Houston has done a poor job, right?
If I do not have a sufficient amount of help on my team, I have done a poor job putting it together.
quote:The way you've ignored my question multiple times is pretty telling.
So, then he has done a good job as LeGM, and has sufficient help?
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:45 pm to shel311
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He doesn't have enough help to beat one of the greatest teams we've ever seen.
If the barometer to be a good GM is be better than the 2nd or 3rd best team ever, then no he hasn't done a good job.
It has been the excuse all playoffs. Against the Raptors and Celtics it was the same excuse, Cavs don't have enough outside LeBron to win.
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But I'd ask how is that a reasonable barometer?
I'm not trying to use it as a barometer. I'm trying to put an end to arguing both ways to suit a position. He has done a poor job designing his team. His supporting cast isn't great. He has done a great job despite that set back.
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He also did not pull the trigger on the Kyrie deal and did not have any say in the deadline deals, so there's that as well. Those have been well reported.
Cool. I haven't once said anything to the contrary.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:46 pm to shel311
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The way you've ignored my question multiple times is pretty telling.
Check one post up bud.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:47 pm to Rep520
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The Warriors are better than any Finals opponent MJ had. I think it's dumb to deny simple facts like that.
I disagree...some of those early lakers teams were stout as frick.
the issue is people watched MJ literally take over games.
Not grab the ball at the 3 point arc, run into the lane and into a person, then cry on the ground he was fouled after flopping from some imaginary head swipe.
it's a joke.
but the millenial trash needs their closeted gay hero to be the best because he's a civil rightrs hero (said so himself)
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:47 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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It has been the excuse all playoffs. Against the Raptors and Celtics it was the same excuse, Cavs don't have enough outside LeBron to win.
Cavs beat them. What are you talking about?
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:49 pm to Rep520
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I just have an issue with ignoring things like the talent of the teams they were on and the talent of the teams they played against.
LeBron has had more teammates who averaged over 22ppg. Like this playoffs, Jordan also has had a playoff with only one other player averaging double figures. He won the title that year.
The teammate strength is largely very overblown. Jordan and LeBron both have had their share of better teams comparatively. It is not one sided in either direction enough to make up for the difference in championships.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:49 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:You're creating a strawman because I picked the Cavs to go to the Finals, so that excuse doesn't apply to me, so not sure what your point is.
It has been the excuse all playoffs. Against the Raptors and Celtics it was the same excuse, Cavs don't have enough outside LeBron to win.
quote:You're doing so illogically.
I'm trying to put an end to arguing both ways to suit a position.
quote:He's beat every team he's faced except for one of the greatest teams we've ever seen. So AGAIN, you are making the barometer to be a good GM is having to beat probably the 2nd best team ever. Fair?
He has done a poor job designing his team.
quote:You literally just said he did a poor job designing the team, so you kinda did say that.
Cool. I haven't once said anything to the contrary.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:49 pm to Goldrush25
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Cavs beat them. What are you talking about?
What does that have to do with my point?
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:50 pm to CptBengal
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I disagree...some of those early lakers teams were stout as frick
He didn't face any of those early Lakers teams.
He got them without Kareem, with an HIV Magic and Worthy in the twilight of his career.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:51 pm to CptBengal
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I disagree...some of those early lakers teams were stout as frick.
the issue is people watched MJ literally take over games.
Not grab the ball at the 3 point arc, run into the lane and into a person, then cry on the ground he was fouled after flopping from some imaginary head swipe.
it's a joke.
but the millenial trash needs their closeted gay hero to be the best because he's a civil rightrs hero (said so himself)
And yet, you're the one that comes off like a baby back bitch in every Lebron thread.
LeGay sucks! Can't believe you gays like LeWalk! LeTard is the worst!
Day after day after day. You are so fricking pathetic.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:51 pm to Goldrush25
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He didn't face any of those early Lakers teams.
early in HIS career.
good god. it;s like you idiots are hell bent on proving your gay hero invented basketball.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:53 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:How efficient were his teammates combined scoring?
LeBron has had more teammates who averaged over 22ppg. Like this playoffs, Jordan also has had a playoff with only one other player averaging double figures. He won the title that year.
quote:I don't agree, but the bigger issue isn't even their teammates, it's the teams they've faced. The worst team Lebron ever faced in the Finals had a better Net Rating than the best team MJ ever had. Now you can argue that in literal terms all of Lebron's teams were not better than all the teams MJ faced, but the overall point is made, Lebron faced teams that were just in a different league as a whole compared to MJ, that's not real questionable based on the data.
The teammate strength is largely very overblown. Jordan and LeBron both have had their share of better teams comparatively. It is not one sided in either direction enough to make up for the difference in championships.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:53 pm to shel311
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You're creating a strawman because I picked the Cavs to go to the Finals, so that excuse doesn't apply to me, so not sure what your point is.
Cool. You aren't the only person or opinion posting in this thread or any of the other threads this post season. If you want to argue that it hasn't been a widely held opinion this playoffs that LeBron doesn't have enough talent around him to even make it to the finals, you are being dishonest.
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He's beat every team he's faced except for one of the greatest teams we've ever seen. So AGAIN, you are making the barometer to be a good GM is having to beat probably the 2nd best team ever. Fair?
Sigh. No. The Cavaliers are a pretty poor team outside of LeBron. He has done a tremendous job as a player, not a GM.
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You literally just said he did a poor job designing the team, so you kinda did say that.
Fine. If you need me to be specific. Yes, there are decisions that LeBron didn't make. He is not 100% responsible for the design of this team. Better?
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:53 pm to CptBengal
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I disagree...some of those early lakers teams were stout as frick.
Bruh.
MJ faced the Lakers once. Magic was still in his prime, but Kareem was retired and Worthy and Scott were on the downslope of their career.
I grew up a MASSIVE Laker/Magic fan and the 90-91 Laker team wasn't close to the title teams. Young Vlade vs Kareem, enough said.
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