re: JW's Accuser family presser today. Family: *Its gonna be good*

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No...her reporting it and going through a rape kit means this is more likely an instance of rape.

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No. It doesn't.

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But there's a difference between small inconsistencies and very large inconsistencies that will completely destroy your credibility in front of a jury.

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The police didn't do a thorough enough of an investigation but most of what she said was corroborated by the other witnesses statements. Including the broken lock on the door.

The investigating officer needs to be arrested.

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The investigating officer needs to be arrested.

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Alright. Good convo

...but for every 3 False Accusations...there are 100 actual rapes that occur.

according to studies by feminist or women's groups with an agenda

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In my opinion, a rape more than likely occurred because she got a rape kit done.

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Not just that...when you look at the undisputed facts I believe a rape more than likely occurred.

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And what undisputed facts would make him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?

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This is a message board not a court of law...so it's a much lower burden of proof.

I think her lawyer pointed it out yesterday...the investigation was handled so badly...there was no way there could be a reasonable doubt conviction.

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TheOcean

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Either you or your buddies are going too far with this though A classic example of TL;DR
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Read your or your buddy or someone....LynchingTrain comment

More work from Ocean

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They know some of her mental issues with lyinhg,…its well known by most of us. She disappears and cheats on her boyfirends,.. Its happened at least two other times.
She literally wanted a half arse reaction by police, that would later be forgotten, she played the system to look like someone who “may have been attacked” but nothing about the story worked,..becaue she needed our (friends) cooperation to make it work. She should be on her hands and knees ,.begging every true rape victim to forgive her for panicing and getting a friend to call the police for an alibi for “hooking up” with a random guy,…who turned out to be in her class after all. She wanted an ugrade from her old boyfriend(he was a great hs player too,,but not as great as Winston). Period. The girls know this,…but are remaining silent.!!!!! its so harmfull to the cause of womens safety....and security. They could make it right,....but its clear they wont now.

The accuser clearly wont be charged for the false allegations. I will total flip out if her press conference is about anything other than “true sex assault victims”.. of which my sister was when she was at texas. We did get a conviction!! She cheated on her boyfriend, got caught,didnt like the cold and dismssive treatment by jameis afterward and the rest of the night she spent trying to devise a way to look innocent to the por boyfriend (from cheating). The rape or assault idea was the only way out.of her lie. She claimed she was hit over the head and passed out! Her friends weren’t around to give her an alibi (for being gone for over an 2 and a half hours ,and hooking up) because the boyfriend was still on Campus!! He had been calling around to she where she was. Everyone said they didn't know, even though at least 6 girls knew exactly where she was!! (pots) She had turned he phone of and on and off again while the poor guy was trying to find her. She really panicked when her friends didn’t know Exactly where HE was, and asked to be dropped off down the road from her apartment (by Winston) .

All she really wanted to do was get in the shower,.. On that walk home is when the final parts of her plan was made to go to the police, because The boyfriend was looking for her and had already realized she wasn’t with her other friends. He is actually a quarterback/ defensive back at kent state in ohio (currently) and was home (florida) for the weekend visiting his girlfriend (the accuser). The fact is the boyfriend was supportive initially , and demanded to know who had ” done this to her” , she had to say she didn’t know because she is not the type of person who would actually sent someone to jail over this. He was suspicious all along because he felt she knew who it was and she didn’t want him to go after the guy and ask the guy(Winston) what really happened. This was in large part because she was against even her parents finding out about the assault. A huge red flag for him. She was very mad at friends that told (her folks) against her wishes, that she was assaulted. She knew the clever little trick was actually starting to spin out of control. She gave a half arse statement, and then when questioned again was even more vague, hoping that the investigation would stall and she would be in the clear to go back to life before that night of unfaithfulness, She even told her best friend NOT to cooperate because the cops couldn’t force her to talk.

The cops even suspected she was telling her own friends and family NOT to cooperate. Because our societys thirst to control womens chastity at all times No girl would want people to find out about there sexual exploits in this way, She would be labeled as a two timing slut,…. Her reputation would be ruined. She had to look like a victim that night to save face,… and for a time it worked. She thought the issue was dead…… She wanted the old boyfriend back,…..it seemed things were starting to get patched up with him,,, And then someone,..leaks a story about the investigation,…and all hell broke loose.! Now her family is going to hold a press conference and say things on “her” behalf and how hard its been . They will undoubtedly gloss over her bad decisions, and the one night stand,
Now the friends are still silent ( mainly out of pity for her),. they know she is sorry about this whole cheating thing, and they know the accusations are just a defense mechanism, but they are rallying behind her and hoping this all blows over. Please read the report again,..especially the last few pages. Its clear to see, whenever the story shows that she was in control, is where her story to police says she doesent remember. Her better move would have been to not persue at all,. People come at these guys all along, and usually the most aggressive one wins. However they're not going to turn around and be your boyfriend just because your easy. One night stands guarantee nothing,..even if your just looking to upgade from one small time quarterback, ,,to a potentially big time one.
One night stands are a bad idea ….period

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And most false accusations are not from regretted sex. Most women know the difference between regret and violation.

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Most being the key word here. Yet there are plenty of crazy arse cleat chasers who defy that logic too.

As far as going through a rape kit, how do we know she didn't go ahead with it because at that point she was already in too deep?

Nothing about this case is very clear. Obviously you can debate whether that was the result of a shitty TPD investigation or not. But after reading a ton on the case there's a whole lot that stands out as sketchy on her behalf and I can see why the TPD might spend more time verifying her story before pursuing charges against Winston since it was SO inconsistent. I have a hard time believing she was raped when the following lies/inconsistencies occurred:

- She lied about being intoxicated. She reportedly had "5 vodka drinks" and some "unknown male" gave her a "shot". Yet the toxicology report showed she wasn't intoxicated or drugged. It later comes out that her and three of her friends "shared" those drinks. And her own friend even said she looked "fine" when she left the bar.

- She claimed she possibly blacked out from being whacked in the head. Also unsubstantiated due to lack of injury and her story changed on that later.

- Winston supposedly held her down, then took her into the bathroom and "continued the assault". The result of this physically was just "generalized muscle aches and vaginal tenderness". As well as redness on her knees, a bruise on one of her knees, and a bruise on her right forearm. I'll be real frank, that's not exactly inconsistent with a good ol' round of consensual sex. The knee redness would also be consistent with the witness at the apartment's claim that she was kneeling on the floor.

- She claims he tried to cover his face when taking her home on the scooter but his only effort to do so during the "rape" was him pushing her face to the side while they were in the bathroom "she thinks". She could remember the details of his bedspread and what the friend looked like that supposedly interrupted and told the rapist to stop but couldn't remember the guy's face that was on top of her?

- She actually at one point during the investigation wasn't sure if she wanted to pursue the case because she needed to see texts from her phone before she could determine such. She wanted to make sure she wasn't just misremembering giving permission to some random guy (kind of fricked up if she had a boyfriend as claimed).

- Then there's the multiple DNAs. Winston's and another's. One in which she'd only refer to as her friend in Ohio and wouldn't give the name.

Just reading the first few pages gives plenty enough doubt.

ETA: And that's just a handful of inconsistencies. There's certainly enough there for me to question it.