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re: Josh Gordon Decision Has Been Made - Banned for the year
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:45 pm to redfieldk717
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:45 pm to redfieldk717
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gordon should sue the nfl
He will. I think he has a case about the timeliness of the appeal which is a requirement in the drug policy.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 1:46 pm
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Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:45 pm to redfieldk717
He probably will
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:46 pm to DelU249
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no one is smearing this poo poo back in the NFL's face
they did with the failure to properly suspend Rice. it was smeared all over them with that. there is nothing to smear here, because Gordon was properly suspended. Now if they wanted to revisit the terrible decision to only suspend a wife beater for only 2 games, then this is the perfect opportunity to do so. That is a dead horse that can never be over-beaten
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:46 pm to Midget Death Squad
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that's not what they are saying
It absolutely is...16 games is bounty gate type shite...pac man jones...
then go through case by case where goodell subjectively determines the punishment (or worse doesn't review) for players involved in violence off the field
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repeatedly violating
so irrelevant though, a 1 time wife beater is worse than a 10 time pick pocket...too bad they can't make you piss in a cup to determine what a violent psychopath you are...then I imagine we'd have a lot of repeat offenders in the NFL.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:50 pm to Midget Death Squad
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they did with the failure to properly suspend Rice
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there is nothing to smear here, because Gordon was properly suspended.
while the second is matter of debate, and I don't care which side is right...the two are connected. Gordon was properly suspended because they have strict procedures and policies in place for drugs
everything else roger wants a free hand with
the proposal of such terms combined with goodell's punishment of violent offenders, for which there is no procedure or policy is the NFL treating substance abuse as being worse than violence
why don't they just have a drug test, and let goodell review it and issue punishment...like they did with rice
that is the NFL's policy, and it shows how fricked their moral hierarchy is.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:53 pm to DelU249
That's why the collective bargaining angle is so important.
Goodell suspends Rice for a year and Rice could get an injunction, possibly with the full support of the Ravens.
With Gordon, Goodell is fully protected in following the book. The only real option is an all or nothing approach: either collectively bargain the punishments for all (or most) penalties or work to exclude recreational drugs in the next CBA.
Goodell suspends Rice for a year and Rice could get an injunction, possibly with the full support of the Ravens.
With Gordon, Goodell is fully protected in following the book. The only real option is an all or nothing approach: either collectively bargain the punishments for all (or most) penalties or work to exclude recreational drugs in the next CBA.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:56 pm to DelU249
I agree they are connected. My issue is with everyone bitching that Gordon is improperly suspended by comparing it to Rice. He is not. This is a fact. His suspension is one based upon mutually negotiated terms.
What you say that is accurate is the disparity in the deliverance of punishments. It is a travesty that there isn't a better system in place to punish violent criminal behavior. It is completely unfair that Rice received only 2 games, because what he did was horrendous. They need to streamline all of their discipline policies under one guideline in order to avoid such arbitrary decisions in the future.
What you say that is accurate is the disparity in the deliverance of punishments. It is a travesty that there isn't a better system in place to punish violent criminal behavior. It is completely unfair that Rice received only 2 games, because what he did was horrendous. They need to streamline all of their discipline policies under one guideline in order to avoid such arbitrary decisions in the future.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:59 pm to Walking the Earth
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work to exclude recreational drugs in the next CBA.
this will never happen. they will ease the penalties and develop a more fair approach to dealing with it; however, they will not eliminate their stance of league personnel not using. they view everyone in the league, especially players, as idols that have great influence on the public and especially children, and rightfully so. they do not want these players setting bad examples for the millions of kids they influence. now, are they inconsistent in the way they do this? absolutely. this is what needs to be rectified.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:02 pm to Midget Death Squad
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Gordon is improperly suspended by comparing it to Rice
I don't think that is what everyone is saying...personally, I think it is morally inconsistent, I don't think "morally improper" would be too bad of a description for how I look at it
I don't care about Gordon...he is responsible for his predicament, but since I want to believe the NFL isn't a league owned and operated by TPOS who treat violence as less of an offense than smoking reefer, taking Adderall.
right now, a 2nd time offender gets 2 games
beating your wife = smoking pot for a second time
in the eyes of the NFL
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:04 pm to Midget Death Squad
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It is a travesty that there isn't a better system in place to punish violent criminal behavior.
but since goodell first took over in 06 he's been all about the personal conduct policy...it's not as if he isn't aware (this was the first thing he did) or didn't have an opportunity to rework it so that everything is properly prioritized on the scale of 0-murder. This hypocrisy existed before the last CBA, it is just goodell thought everything was properly in its place...he even fought in the negotiations like a dog to keep it.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:06 pm to DelU249
I think we are in agreement then.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:09 pm to Walking the Earth
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With Gordon, Goodell is fully protected in following the book.
he isn't
1. the personal conduct policy is his creation.
2. on a technicality he could have let Gordon walk, which would also best serve the NFL's interest since this situation is rare. But no, he's fighting it, using his influence to drag it out, and they'll fight it in court...so he's defending this double standard quite vigorously
3. this inconsistency has existed for his entire tenure...he negotiated to keep it, just as the players accepted it...it is the NFL's proposed policy, and now policy...violence not as bad as whatever
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:11 pm to Midget Death Squad
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:21 pm to DelU249
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right now, a 2nd time offender gets 2 games
beating your wife = smoking pot for a second time
Actually, I believe being caught the second time is a four game suspension. Gordon managed to finagle a 2 game suspension along with the 4 game check fine due to a settlement last offseason.
Problem is that the drug policy is collectively bargained while personal conduct penalties are left up to Roger Goodell. It's also a difficult area to properly codify in a collective bargaining agreement. Also, the CBA runs through the 2021 season with no opt-out clauses for either the NFL or NFLPA. So for this to change, the NFLPA will need to show some reason for the CBa to be thrown out after going along with it for a few years.
The really crappy thing for Gordon was the there was supposed to be an amended drug policy that the League and NFLPA have been negotiating since they signed the CBA. But apparently, the NFLPA hasn't agreed to the HGH testing which has delayed the revamp. Part of the rumored revision was a higher standard to deal with this such situation (i.e second-hand smoke).
It sucks for Gordon but it's an imperfect world. At least it appears that Gordon can apply for reinstatement in early 2015 (May?), which is less than the 365 day ban that is in the drug policy.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:31 pm to bbrownso
great, so it's even more fricked up 
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:33 pm to jimithing11
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Matt Prater (Denver kicker) was in stage 3 and got four games. Irsay has admitted he's battled substance abuse for years.
Interest to see your troll rebuttal for that one.
Here is my "troll rebuttal".
Prater wasn't facing 1 year suspension
And, again, this is a collectively bargained issue. Irsay is an owner, not a player. There is nothing in the collective bargaining agreement that covers owner drug use.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:28 pm to moneyg
MDS has to be trolling. No way someone could be so obtuse.
If Gordon's B sample was named his A sample, all of this would be moot. Suspending a guy for 16 games based on theses arbitrary rules is insane. The NFL is years behind the curve on this issue.
The comparisons between Olympic testing levels and NFL testing levels tell you all that you need to know.
If Gordon's B sample was named his A sample, all of this would be moot. Suspending a guy for 16 games based on theses arbitrary rules is insane. The NFL is years behind the curve on this issue.
The comparisons between Olympic testing levels and NFL testing levels tell you all that you need to know.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 4:11 am to TreyAnastasio
That's a disaster for Browns 
Posted on 8/28/14 at 7:13 am to TreyAnastasio
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I dont care if it the 75th time he failed a weed test. You shouldnt get suspended at all for smoking weed.
That's like, your opinion, man.
Doesn't belong in the discussion. It has no relevance to anything.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 7:15 am to TreyAnastasio
How is it funny that he was so blitzed that he couldn't stay awake in a running car? Would it be funny if he fell asleep while driving and hurt or killed someone?
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