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re: Jose Bautista O/U 30 Home Runs
Posted on 2/14/11 at 8:32 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Posted on 2/14/11 at 8:32 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
I also think you are missing the main theme of moneyball which is finding qualities and traits that a player has that are undervalued by other teams. the reason for this is to get an advantage as a small market team. during the time that the strategy started OBP was actually a stat that was often overlooked. If you want me to go on why it does work during the regular season but rarely works in the postseason just let me know.
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Posted on 2/14/11 at 8:37 pm to geauxtigers12
I know that was the main theme of the book. I just specifically remember at one point in the book someone mentioned the importance of OBP and slugging. In your post that I initially responded to, I thought that you were wondering what the most effective measures of offensive production are.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 8:41 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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I never said Bautista was overrated or on steroids or anything. In fact, if you look on the first page I said over. RBI's are not a "bad" stat where it means nothing, but I was just saying it is not the most effective measure of offensive production. I thought Bautista was very effective last year and whatever his job as a hitter is, he did a damn good of exceeding all expectations.
Never said that you said any of this... all i did was question why you said RBIs are overrated.. I just find it hard to believe that jose bautista value would increase if he had a high OBP and less RBIs.. yeah he could score more runs but someone has to get the hit to drive him in. walks don't win championships.
This post was edited on 2/14/11 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 2/14/11 at 8:51 pm to geauxtigers12
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tony bautista
It is Jose. Are you thinking of Tony Batista?
Scoring runs helps win games and by not getting an out in a player's at-bat, you are increasing your chances to score more runs, which I am sure you know. Bautista's value came from the fact that he was crushing the ball last year and playing way better than what they paid him for.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 8:55 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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Tony Batista
My bad heat of the moment..
Posted on 2/14/11 at 9:02 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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Bautista's value came from the fact that he was crushing the ball last year and playing way better than what they paid him for.
exactly.. not because he had a high OBP
He is about to get paid because he drove run in(RBIs)... Not becuase he got on base. if he just had a .370 OBP i don't think he would get paid like he is about to get paid for having 120 RBIs.
I think we are not seeing eye to eye because you are looking at this more a GM who is looking for value but i am talking about this in terms of production.
This post was edited on 2/14/11 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 2/14/11 at 9:46 pm to geauxtigers12
I think I may have misinterpreted your original post in this thread. I don't really think there was much of a disagreement at all. 
Posted on 2/14/11 at 9:55 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Posted on 2/14/11 at 10:17 pm to geauxtigers12
people say RBI's are overrated because that is what bill james and company tell them. they dont really know any better
Posted on 2/14/11 at 10:32 pm to msutiger
He was only a full-time player in one of those years.
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