re: JoePa knew about Sandusky in 1976

Well Sandusky fooled everyone at Second Mile, administrators, child counselors, maybe his own wife.

But to the posters breaking this down to simple terms so they can understand it and treating this like a recruiting scandal is absurd and beyond logic.

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had a tragically unfortunate case of tunnel vision. He cared about nothing but winning football games.

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Well...that's just not true considering all the other evidence to the contrary. The grand experiment, best graduation rates, former players saying he recruited players who wanted to be successful in class, benching players who didnt get B's or better, donating his salary to the library...

Whatever he did or didn't do in the Sandusky matter...it would be far easier to get rid of the guy back then before PSU had major success..it makes more sense finding out later near retirement and trying to hide it.

Regardless, if Paterno only cared about winning, he wouldn't have had those other student athlete requirements. When PSU was rocked by the Sandusky scandal, PSU had the #1 graduation rate in FBS football (ahead of Stanford).

Paterno could have easily replaced Sandusky way back then and cut that cancer from his program.. It's not like he wasn't replaceable before they ever won a Natty.

But there's no debating that Paterno had the most difficult academic requirements for his players...compared to football factories...so to say, all he cared about is winning and that's why he employed Sandusky doesn't jive with his other actions. Thats ludicrous that Paterno would keep a Pedo on staff to help win football games, when so many others could do the job. That pedo was easily replaced...he wasn't Belichick or Buddy Ryan.

If anything, and the issue of nehligence, this logically reeks of finding out later and protecting a program's long history which you can't redo...and instead of just caring about winning moving forward from the 70's when PSU still wasn't a national brand.

That doesn't jive with logic and the long history of his grand experiment...and focusing on the total college experience for his former players who all attest to that academic rigor.

So why would Paterno have "leniency" to a child predator and not to his own players on the field when it came to academic standards and good conduct to even play? He demands the best gentleman conduct and grades from his players but he knows Sandusky is a Pedo in the 70s and keeps him on staff...as if Sandusky was Vince Lombardi? Is that logically sound to you?

I don't know what when and where Paterno knew but it makes more sense that he knew later after all the wins and years of employing Sandusky than to know early in their careers and just turn a blind eye when he could have easily moved on from that sick freak.

I don't think anyone would knowingly employ a Pedo for 30 years just to help win football games...and it's not like PSU was winning Natty's left an right.

This case reads more like protecting a legacy than building one.

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Difference there is nobody ever told your parents it was happening.

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Watch the E:60...my Uncle told my parents "there is something not right with the relationship."

The issue comes in when you know this person and you know them to be "a good guy." You can't see it.

Hell, Sandusky's wife still don't believe it.

PS...this explains why I saw on my Facebook or Twitter feed that JoePa would have made a great Pope.

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I feel like if I had to choose between:
(a) getting raped, or
(b) seeing my dad get shot

I'd happily bend over.

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One of the things me and my father talked about was this...Getting Raped vs Getting Murdered. He said he would much rather get raped than murdered. Then he said, "you can always try counciling after getting raped...if that don't work, you can just kill yourself later."

I agree.

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in some aspects Paterno is worst than Sandusky who is OBVIOUSLY a sick frick and deserved to be shanked ( hopefully soon) but JoePa covered it up( his excuse is as weak as the Nazi who were just following orders) for the money and prestige

over a fricking game

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Disagree 100%.

I felt that way for a long time. But Joe didn't know. He had other things to worry about.

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I mean, he was one of the best ever. In 23 years as a DC he had a national top-10 defense 18 times, including the number one defense five times.

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And many people would put Bill Cosby on the Mount Rushmore of comedians.

You make a great point, but the fact of the matter is GREAT, HEROIC, WONDERFUL people...molest children. That's why people don't believe it. It's in the Clemente Report.

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Yep. He allowed the rape to happen. That's why it's not far fetched to think he was involved in the raping.

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He didn't allow the rape to happen.

He was not involved in the rape.

Read the Clemente Report

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I want to reflexively say PSU just has terrible people for fans, but then I realize they're just doing what any major college fanbase would do in that situation.

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I know a lot of Penn State grads who have distanced themselves from enjoying their school's athletics and just watch the pros. I've talked to a few of them about it, and to say they're disappointed in their alma mater is an understatement.

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At this point I looked him straight in the eye and said don't misunderstand my next statement because it is not a threat, it's a promise.

I want you to know that when the whole thing comes to light and I find out that YOUR coach raped MY CHILD and you knew about it and only told the PRINCIPAL????? You never thought to tell the ME, THE CHILDS PARENT?or the frickING POLICE?

YOU BETTER HOPE THAT THE POLICE GET TO YOU BEFORE I DO, BECAUSE YOU WILL BE LUCKY IF YOU LIVE THRU THE frickING BEATING I WILL GIVE YOU WHEN I AM DONE WITH COACH OC.

Then I calmed down and said, yeah, so Paterno deserves to rot in hell.
And we had a fine fishing trip.

All of you defending him should really just shut your mouth. You are just identifying yourself as people with horrible fricking morals and principles and letting me know that I wouldn't trust you enough to take out my trash.

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I just wish everyone with this passion would use it to find out the truth.

Read The Clemente Report: LINK

It opened my eyes.

Now GO harm Sandusky and leave JoePa's Ghost alone

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No they don't! Some might. I've never met a rape victim or a sexual abuse victim who wish they would have gotten murdered.

I have met family and friends of victims who may have thought that.

But nothing could be further from the truth.

Scarred for Life is a myth. I have met people scarred for life, but their support system was shite.

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You've been lied to. A lot.

JoePa didn't run PSU the board did. There is no evidence that joepa covered anything up or enabled Sandusky in anyway. The prosecutors even pointed it out. He even acknowledges he should have done more but I don't get all the hate for him when his bosses, actual witnesses to abuse and Second Mile leaders didn't do shite. I guess since he's the most recognisable figure he was an easy target.