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re: Jack Nicklaus vs. Tiger Woods Stats

Posted on 7/24/09 at 12:59 pm to
Posted by pnut53088
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 12:59 pm to
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but in 2002 and 2004 they were competiton


lol. that's why tiger's competition is so poor. the "elite" guys that Tiger plays against haven't won anything in years.
Posted by TigerPhan27
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 1:04 pm to
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lol. that's why tiger's competition is so poor. the "elite" guys that Tiger plays against haven't won anything in years.


I don't understand how that is relevant whatsoever. If a guy is all world just for one year putting up a great season and Tiger beats him what does it matter if that guy is good 2 years later?
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 1:08 pm to
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This just makes Tigers 14 that much more impressive.


I don't think so. Make a list of the names that weren't listed in my post and you'll start to realize that Nicklaus competition over his career was at a very high level.

What it does is justify all the second place finishes that Nicklaus had. There was a group of players then that focused on and knew how to win majors. That mental edge is not in today's game and is probably because you can finish 100th on the money list now and make more money in a year than the average American can dream of.

IMO, Tiger will be considered the best of all-time by the end of his career. He's the first person since Nicklaus to strike fear in opponents in the same manner that Nicklaus did. What a lot of people don't realize is that Nicklaus was similar to Tiger when he turned pro. He was immensely longer than the other players on tour and courses were changed because of the way he played and his length.
Posted by pnut53088
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 1:08 pm to
I asked who was competition against Tiger and someone said Els and Singh. I then replied with stats. If you're telling me that today, Tiger's main competition is against golfers who haven't won a major in 6-8 years then that just proves my point.
Posted by TigerPhan27
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 1:13 pm to
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I asked who was competition against Tiger and someone said Els and Singh. I then replied with stats. If you're telling me that today, Tiger's main competition is against golfers who haven't won a major in 6-8 years then that just proves my point.


no I'm telling you throughout his career he's had plenty of different competitors.

Posted by lsugolf1105
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 1:19 pm to
do you really think the competition argument explains a 17% winning percentage versus a 30% winning percentage for the first 225 events played? that is a huge difference. also, how do you explain the fact that nicklaus never won a scoring title?? competition has nothing to do with your score.
Posted by pnut53088
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 2:07 pm to
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lsugolf1105

let's change this up. who is more dominant in their sport, Tiger or Federer
Posted by lsugolf1105
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 2:17 pm to
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let's change this up. who is more dominant in their sport, Tiger or Federer


it's tiger. nadal fricked it up for federer. losing record to nadal. not the best on clay. tiger is better than everyone on tour, by a big margin. and he is the best at every major (at least 3 wins at each which no one in today's game has).
Posted by pnut53088
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 2:28 pm to
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it's tiger. nadal fricked it up for federer. losing record to nadal. not the best on clay. tiger is better than everyone on tour, by a big margin. and he is the best at every major (at least 3 wins at each which no one in today's game has).


Nadal is going to go down as the best clay court player of all time. Tiger doesn't have that type of competition. Federer has 2 majors this year, and a great shot at getting number 3 at the US Open. Tiger hasn't won any this year. Plus he missed the cut..that's the equivalent of Federer losing in like the 3rd round of a major. Tiger has won 2 of the last 11 majors, while Fed won 6 of 11. If Federer was American, this debate of who is more dominant wouldn't be much of a debate IMO.
Posted by lsugolf1105
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 2:38 pm to
tiger is 27% better than #2 in the world. federer is 5% better than #2 (only 16% better than murray). and tiger missed an entire year due to injury. this is according to world rankings.

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Nadal is going to go down as the best clay court player of all time. Tiger doesn't have that type of competition


so you are saying federer is not dominant? right?

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Tiger hasn't won any this year.


dude was out an entire year with an injury. trust me, he will be winning more soon.

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If Federer was American, this debate of who is more dominant wouldn't be much of a debate IMO.


yeah it would. tiger will go down as the greatest athlete of all time.




Posted by pnut53088
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 2:45 pm to
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so you are saying federer is not dominant? right?


No I'm saying he has won 15 majors while having to compete with the best clay court player of all time. Tiger doesn't have this type of competition. Hell a 59 year old almost won the same major that the world's #1 missed the cut. That's either saying how good Watson is or how bad Tiger was.

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dude was out an entire year with an injury. trust me, he will be winning more soon


But the injury wasn't an excuse when he won 3 tourneys during the year. He has been non-clutch in all three majors this year. In fact, the last 5.

I think he needs to win ONE this year before we claim he's the best of all time.


Posted by lsugolf1105
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 2:58 pm to
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But the injury wasn't an excuse when he won 3 tourneys during the year. He has been non-clutch in all three majors this year. In fact, the last 5.


tiger has absolutely been a victim of his own success. LOOK AT THE NUMBERS!!! 68 tour wins and 14 majors in 12 years!! are you absolutely kidding me??? do any of you understand this? 6 usga titles in a row?? mike douglas at the age of 2?? carrying the entire sport of golf, getting pulled in all directions, more media attention than any other athlete. he is a genius. that is the bottom line. comparing him to phelps, federer, armstrong is a joke.

tennis is a game where it is easier to dominate. multiple people winning 4 or 5 majors in a row. 5 wimbledons in a row, 4 french, etc. this doesn't happen in golf. it happens in every era in tennis. when was the last time a player ranked 1000th and 880th in the world contended for consecutive tennis majors?
Posted by pnut53088
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 3:06 pm to
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tennis is a game where it is easier to dominate


So Federer is more dominant? Federer's first major up til his 15th came in 7 years. Tiger's 14 major win's took 14 years. I'm just giving you facts.
Posted by lsugolf1105
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 3:16 pm to
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So Federer is more dominant? Federer's first major up til his 15th came in 7 years. Tiger's 14 major win's took 14 years. I'm just giving you facts.


no. just stating the facts about the sports. in this argument you have to take the sport into account. it is way more difficult to win majors in golf. that is why 14 majors for tiger this early in his career is incredible. oh and federer started playing majors as a professional in 1998 so it took him 12 years to win 15.
Posted by pnut53088
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 3:26 pm to
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oh and federer started playing majors as a professional in 1998 so it took him 12 years to win 15.

I meant his first major win to his 15th took him 7 years.

It's just as hard to win a major in tennis as it is in golf IMO. In tennis, if you play like shite, you're going home. In golf, one shitty round doesn't kill you. Also, tennis players must be athletic- there are no John Dalys in tennis. Golfer's don't even carry their bags. Oh and there is a coaching element. In tennis, it's all on you. Tiger can go to his caddie for advice and strategy during the match.
Posted by lsugolf1105
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 3:34 pm to
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It's just as hard to win a major in tennis as it is in golf IMO. In tennis, if you play like shite, you're going home. In golf, one shitty round doesn't kill you. Also, tennis players must be athletic- there are no John Dalys in tennis. Golfer's don't even carry their bags. Oh and there is a coaching element. In tennis, it's all on you. Tiger can go to his caddie for advice and strategy during the match


question, is it easier to pick the winner of a golf major or tennis major?
Posted by TigerPhan27
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 3:36 pm to
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It's just as hard to win a major in tennis as it is in golf IMO


no it isn't
Posted by lsugolf1105
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 3:40 pm to
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It's just as hard to win a major in tennis as it is in golf IMO


in running, swimming, tennis, when you are better than your opponent you more than likely win. in golf, you are not playing against your opponent. you cannot control him. he can get lucky and make a bunch of putts and beat you. have you ever seen the golf match play championship? predicting that is absolutely impossible.
Posted by pnut53088
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 3:41 pm to
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question, is it easier to pick the winner of a golf major or tennis major?


Depends how you look at it. Since I think Federer is more dominant, I think he'll win most of the majors. It baffles me when Sportscenter does polls asking who will win: Tiger or the Field, and like 80% of the people pick Tiger every time, yet he loses a lot more times than he wins.
Posted by pnut53088
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 3:42 pm to
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no it isn't


Nice facts.
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