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re: Jack Nicklaus Or Tiger Woods?
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:04 am to lsupride87
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:04 am to lsupride87
quote:damn this held true even after the last decade? God damn Tiger really was fricking dominant.
Jack has had the better career for major wins
Tiger has jack in total wins, win pct, score to par, years as money leader, cuts made, pct of cuts made
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:04 am to Tiger Prawn
quote:
Tiger's GOAT status is a big "what-if" because who knows how many majors he would've had if he hadn't missed so much time over the past 10-11 years between his knee injuries, back surgery, and personal life problems. He may have only won 1 major over that time or he might've obliterated Jack's record by now. We'll never know
In the last 10 years, Tiger has been fully healthy for two of those years
2013 and this 2018-2019 run
In 2013, he won 8 times including the players and player of the year
In this new stretch, he is a major winner and top 5 machine at majors
Its safe to assume a healthy Tiger obliterates the record. But injuries are unfortunately part of sports, so this doesnt really matter
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 10:05 am
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:05 am to castorinho
quote:Yep.
damn this held true even after the last decade?
Woods has won 81 official PGA Tour events, second only to Sam Snead (82), and eight ahead of Jack Nicklaus's 73 wins. (See List of golfers with most PGA Tour wins.)
Woods has won 15 majors, second all time behind Jack Nicklaus' 18.
Woods is 14–1 when going into the final round of a major with at least a share of the lead.
Woods scoring average in 2000 is the lowest in PGA Tour history, both adjusted, 67.79, and unadjusted, 68.17.[1]
Woods has the lowest career scoring average in PGA Tour history.
Woods has amassed the most career earnings of any player in PGA Tour history (even after inflation is considered).
Woods is one of five players (along with Gene Sarazen, Ben Hogan, Gary Player, and Jack Nicklaus) to have won all four professional major championships in his career, known as the Career Grand Slam, and was the youngest to do so.[2]
Woods is the only player to have won all four professional major championships in a row, accomplishing the feat in the 2000–2001 seasons. This feat became known as the "Tiger Slam".
Woods set the all-time PGA Tour record for most consecutive cuts made, with 142. The streak started in 1998, he set the record at the 2003 Tour Championship with 114 (passing Byron Nelson's previous record of 113 and Jack Nicklaus at 105) and extended this mark to 142 before it ended on May 13, 2005 at the EDS Byron Nelson Championship. Many consider this to be one of the most remarkable golf accomplishments of all time, given the margin by which he broke the old record and given that during the streak, the next longest streak by any other player was usually only in the 10s or 20s.[3][4][5][6] It should be noted that when Byron Nelson played far fewer players made the cut in a given event.[citation needed]
Woods has won a record 23.0% (80 out of 348) of his professional starts on the PGA Tour.
Woods is the only golfer to have won the U.S. Amateur three consecutive times (1994–96).
Awards records
Woods has been the PGA Player of the Year a record eleven times.
Woods has been the PGA Tour Player of the Year a record eleven times.
Woods has been the PGA Tour Money Leader a record ten times.
Woods has been the Vardon Trophy winner a record nine times.
Woods has been the recipient of the Byron Nelson Award a record nine times.
I bolded the good ones
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 10:08 am
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:05 am to LNCHBOX
The only players that finished in the top 10 and had a final round of even par or worse were the two guys that were in Tiger’s group (Finau and Molinari). The rest of the top 10 lit up the scorecard and that was probably the most loaded Sunday leaderboard I can ever remember at a Masters.
The pressure of being grouped with Tiger on a Sunday at Augusta is a very real thing but I have no idea how that’s a knock against Tiger.
The pressure of being grouped with Tiger on a Sunday at Augusta is a very real thing but I have no idea how that’s a knock against Tiger.
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 10:05 am
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:06 am to Bunk Moreland
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People who support Jack tend to say he had more elite competition he had to contend with.
Those people are wrong.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:08 am to lsupride87
Tiger also has completely overhauled his swing 4 times. It would usually cause him to struggle for about a year and then he would dominate again.
Four. Different. Swings.
Four. Different. Swings.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:09 am to tress4pres
Yeah, and no one gives a shite about second place.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:09 am to CU_Tigers4life
Jack: Bill Russell
Tiger: Michael Jordan
There were some good golfers playing along with Jack, but the field was the proverbial “milk men and part time plumbers”
Both guys hugely influential on the game writ large though. Jack (and others) made golf something you could get rich doing. Tiger took it in to the stratosphere.
Tiger: Michael Jordan
There were some good golfers playing along with Jack, but the field was the proverbial “milk men and part time plumbers”
Both guys hugely influential on the game writ large though. Jack (and others) made golf something you could get rich doing. Tiger took it in to the stratosphere.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:10 am to wilceaux
Jack had Arnie, Player, Trevino, Watson & Seve as his main rivals. Toss in Norman too I guess.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:12 am to CU_Tigers4life
quote:I disagree.
I think if Nicklaus had the same equipment and medical/fitness that has been developed the Golden Bear would have had over 20 major titles.
It’s freakin’ AWESOME that you got to watch both, though. I’m truly jealous.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:14 am to lsupride87
This one has always been the most mind boggling to me. WGC events typically have the best fields in golf
quote:
During what can be considered Woods’ true prime years (1999 – 2008), he won 15 of the 27 individual WGCs he attended. This is an incredible 56 percent winning percentage against the top players of his generation.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:17 am to David Ricky
Let’s look at the rest of the top 10 and their world rankings
#9 Schauffele shot a 68
#3 Koepka shot a 70
#1 Johnson shot a 68
#7 Molinari shot a 74
#13 Day shot a 67
#20 Simpson shot a 70
#14 Finau shot a 72
#18 Cantlay shot a 68
#11 Rahm shot a 68
#10 Fowler shot a 69
That may be the toughest Sunday field Tiger has ever had to beat for a major imho
#9 Schauffele shot a 68
#3 Koepka shot a 70
#1 Johnson shot a 68
#7 Molinari shot a 74
#13 Day shot a 67
#20 Simpson shot a 70
#14 Finau shot a 72
#18 Cantlay shot a 68
#11 Rahm shot a 68
#10 Fowler shot a 69
That may be the toughest Sunday field Tiger has ever had to beat for a major imho
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:18 am to Cocotheape
quote:
Jack: Bill Russell
Tiger: Michael Jordan
This is a good analogy.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:20 am to David Ricky
Also woods shot a 68 and a 67 on Friday and Saturday that put him position to be -11 under on Sunday.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:20 am to Fun Bunch
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This is the deepest Golf has ever been in history.
Yep, drawing talent from across the globe. Tiger is fending off a much deeper and more talented pool of opponents.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:24 am to Damone
If the amount of 1st time Major winners the last few years doesn't show you how deep the field is right now, then I don't know what to tell you. It used to be the same players competing year in and year out, now everyone in the Top 25 of the OWGR has a shot every major it seems.
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 10:25 am
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:25 am to Damone
quote:
Tiger is fending off a much deeper and more talented pool of opponents.
And only being able to practice about 1/5th as much as the younger guys.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:26 am to jrtplaya21
quote:I don’t think this is fair.
Only thing Jack has over Tiger is majors and better legends to go up against at his peak
Who was the harder competition in majors?
Palmer for Jack or Koepka for Tiger?
Clearly Palmer is a true legend. But Koepka might be the harder golfer to get past in a major. Jack gets credit for going up against this legend while most folks think Koepka isn’t half as notable.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:27 am to CU_Tigers4life
The answer is Tiger Woods, and it has everything to do with the field/equipment. I planned on doing an entire thread about old school equipment and the advantage it gave guys like Nicklaus, but I decided to just enjoy Tiger's win.
The gist of the thread would have been this:
Old school equipment was terribly unforgiving. As a result, any gap in skill was magnified. It's the reason why we saw a shite ton of repeat winners in Jack's day. From his first major in the 1962 season to his last in the 1986 season, there were 100 total majors. 77 of those were won by repeat major winners, meaning someone random got hot for 4 days and won only 23% of the time.
From Tiger's first major in 97 to this weekend, there have been 89 majors and 54 repeat winners, meaning someone random got hot and won nearly 40% of the time.
Modern equipment keeps everyone in contention. Mishits are far less penalizing. Scoring averages across the entire field are down more than 4 strokes per tournament from Jack's prime. First time winners on tour are running right around 28% in the 2010s and 23% in the 2000s vs 16-19% in the 1960s and 1970s.
When you combine those facts with the absurdity of Tiger's raw numbers, he's undeniably the best golfer of all time.
The gist of the thread would have been this:
Old school equipment was terribly unforgiving. As a result, any gap in skill was magnified. It's the reason why we saw a shite ton of repeat winners in Jack's day. From his first major in the 1962 season to his last in the 1986 season, there were 100 total majors. 77 of those were won by repeat major winners, meaning someone random got hot for 4 days and won only 23% of the time.
From Tiger's first major in 97 to this weekend, there have been 89 majors and 54 repeat winners, meaning someone random got hot and won nearly 40% of the time.
Modern equipment keeps everyone in contention. Mishits are far less penalizing. Scoring averages across the entire field are down more than 4 strokes per tournament from Jack's prime. First time winners on tour are running right around 28% in the 2010s and 23% in the 2000s vs 16-19% in the 1960s and 1970s.
When you combine those facts with the absurdity of Tiger's raw numbers, he's undeniably the best golfer of all time.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:29 am to slackster
Tiger also has won 3 majors 2 years in a row. Something Jack has only done once.
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