re: Is Ohio State the next dynasty?

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Now they can buy yours.

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Yep, that's the difference. Instead of buying them out of high school, they can wait and see if they're any good and buy them after their freshman or sophomore year.

Either way, the big boys, Auburn included, were always buying playing players for at least the past 2-3 decades. NCAA just looked the other way, but if say...Troy would have done the same, they'd make an example of them to let everyone know that the NCAA meant business in amatuer athletics.

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Either way, the big boys, Auburn included, were always buying playing players for at least the past 2-3 decades

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You say that like it’s the same as NIL. Every player wasn’t getting paid and the amount of money involved wasn’t life changing.

Bryce Underwood would still be going to LSU pre NIL. But he’s not because the check was too big and LSU couldn’t match it.

Why

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No they won’t. Notre dames last national championship was 1988. Ohio State has 2 since 1970.

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ND played for a national title in 2012 and has been in the playoffs in other years. OSU won it in 2014 and has been in the playoffs.

It’s a stupid take.

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The same teams that won before NIL are still going to win.

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lol… now you’re moving the goalposts because you know you’re the dumb one.

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“Winning” isn’t necessarily winning a national championship. It is having a successful program that can contend for them.

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The conversation is regarding “dynasty”. Neither ND or Ohio State were dynasties anytime recently.

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What programs that did not win big before NIL are going to start winning big now?

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Also, Notre Dame isn’t a large school.

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You’re the one who said. “The NIL world favors big schools with large, wealthy alumni bases that are passionate about football.” So why is ND playing for a national title in the NIL world?

We all know there are characteristics of winners and that those characteristics are not necessarily spread equally. Maybe the formula for winning is having A, B, and C. Well, you can be really good at A, not so good at B, and average at C instead of roughly equal in all three. ND may not be a big school but it is perhaps the biggest brand in the sport and appears to have a good coach.

I don’t think NIL makes much difference as far as who the contenders will be going forward because money started moving to the forefront of college football a long time ago with the only real variable being fewer elite coaches than elite programs. A dozen programs couldn’t all buy a Saban because there was only one to go around and the stars aligned for Alabama to get him for a long period of time.

The programs that can’t handle money were weeded out of national championship picture a long time ago. Miami won a bunch of national titles in spite of shitty facilities, low fan support, and before coaching pay became obscene. Once those things started to become important, the Canes slipped.

I think dynasties in the NIL era are less likely because no one program is going to be able to hold on to one powerful chip for a long period of time. The ace recruiters like Saban, Carroll, Meyer, Smart are not as important as they used to be.

The top programs are now going to play musical chairs for the best roster of players every year instead of until a Nick Saban retires.

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“Winning” isn’t necessarily winning a national championship. It is having a successful program that can contend for them.

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But the conversation is about winning championships. Sooo….

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What programs that did not win big before NIL are going to start winning big now?

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That’s not the topic. The subject is what program is likely to become the next dynasty. So your question should be “what program that didn’t regularly win championships are going to start winning regularly now?” And the answer is Ohio State. For the reasons I already explained.

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You’re the one who said. “The NIL world favors big schools with large, wealthy alumni bases that are passionate about football.” So why is ND playing for a national title in the NIL world?

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And you said:

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Man, I know. The list of small schools with poor, dispassionate fan bases that won national titles in the pre-NIL world is long indeed. 50 years ago who might have ever even dared to imagine that Notre Dame and Ohio State might meet for a national championship game?

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I’m not arguing that ND is going to start winning championships because of NIL.

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We all know there are characteristics of winners and that those characteristics are not necessarily spread equally.

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Money is the main characteristic . That’s why most other sports leagues try to enforce some cap on spending. Otherwise your league is dominated by large market teams. MLB for example.

So to say:

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I don’t think NIL makes much difference as far as who the contenders will be going forward because money started moving to the forefront of college football a long time ago with the only real variable being fewer elite coaches than elite programs

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…ignores economics. First, the money the players made pre NIL pales in comparison to post NIL. Cam supposedly took 100k to come to Auburn, right? LSU offered Underwood $6 million and was outbid by $4 million by Michigan. The entire “they were buying players before NIL” is lazy and stupid. Pre NIL is interest on the money these guys make now.

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I think dynasties in the NIL era are less likely because no one program is going to be able to hold on to one powerful chip for a long period of time.

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But this applies to EVERYONE. So, the advantage still goes to the more talented team. The most talented team is likely the team that can spend the most.

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LSU couldn’t match it.

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wouldn’t

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No and that’s not an indictment on OSU.
They’ll continue to be one of the if not most consistent programs in the country

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Appreciate the reasoned response

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How many teams have “regularity” won national championships? Ohio State has won two this century and played for two more. They have been about as good as anyone outside of Bama (who had the GOAT) since the BCS era.

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That’s why the question posed in the OP was what program has potential to be the next dynasty.

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I dunno. If it weren’t for the expanded playoffs, OSU would be at home and probably looking for a new coach. Instead, we might be talking about the continuing UGA dynasty or the emergence of Oregon.

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That’s why the expanded playoff was a reason I gave for Ohio State being the next dynasty.

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I don’t think any program holds a significant inherent advantage over everyone else, NIL or not.

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That’s because you aren’t thinking. Programs had inherent advantages before NIL, that’s why many of the same teams won it. And those advantages can change. Nebraska is no longer a power. Army and Navy no longer dominate like they once did. Why? The landscape changed. With NIL, the landscape has changed.