- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:19 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:19 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:I find football coaching unique because I happen to think there is a huge market of people who would be better than the current crop they choose from. I really think the best coaches would be analytical and quick thinking minds, yet football coaches as a whole pull from damn near the opposite type of people. They pull emotional thinking people most of the time.
I assume you didn't start the thread just to get unanimous agreement. I'm not sure it is any worse or better than any other industry. I'll use some generalities.
First, barriers of entry. Bachelor's degree in a lot of places, have we hit 40% of the population having a BS/BA yet?
From there, you can whittle down the type of people who can't find their own a-hole, no talent, who don't want to work that hard, etc. Again, there is a reason you have 55 year olds who aren't executives, and it isn't because they used to be one.
You further this by people who even want to be in coaching. Family members in coaching makes sense, people like to do what is familiar and what they know, usually through their parents, and this happens with lawyers, doctors, engineers, and waiters.
I think it isn't all too dissimilar from any other field and so I'm not terribly surprised. Go look at airline executives or any other industry. They just go around the competitors as VPs until they retire.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 2:20 pm
2
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:21 pm to lsupride87
quote:
I find football coaching unique because I happen to think there is a huge market of people who would be better than the current crop they choose from. I really think the best coaches would be analytical and quick thinking minds, yet football coaches as a whole pull from damn near the opposite type of peopl
Those people self select out and do other things. Probably because most coaches don't make money until they are damn near 50 and sharper folks want immediate return on their education and work (or didn't play football to begin with).
That's my guess anyways. There are a few of those types who somehow fell into coaching, and illustrate your point.
Some barriers make emotional sense though. For example, if you didn't play college ball, you have no friends in college athletics and lose credibility. I think we'd all have doubts hiring some guy who came up to us and said, "I've never flown an airplane before, but I've been reevaluating a lot of crash black boxes data, and I've figured out your mistakes."
Getting through the door from unrelated fields/experiences is always a mountain.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:27 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:Position coached make well into the 6 figures now......And they are usually young
Probably because most coaches don't make money until they are damn near 50
quote:I think it is due to the barrier of entry
Those people self select out and do other things
quote:True
Some barriers make emotional sense though. For example, if you didn't play college ball, you have no friends in college athletics and lose credibility. I think we'd all have doubts hiring some guy who came up to us and said, "I've never flown an airplane before, but I've been reevaluating a lot of crash black boxes data, and I've figured out your mistakes." Getting through the door from unrelated fields/experiences is always a mountain.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:30 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Position coached make well into the 6 figures now......And they are usually young
Position coaches at big time schools make 6 figures. That requires starting off as a GA not making 6 figures. Which starts from being a freak athlete who gets a FBS scholarship (barrier of entry).
If you add in all the thousands of small schools and high schools. Coaches make nothing. Malzahn was 40 years old before he got out past high school level. he majored in physical education so what else could he have done
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:43 pm to lsupride87
quote:
I said he is a football guy.....
Yes Bellichick is.
He's also a retread who was 36-44 in Cleveland with 1 winning season out of 5.
Should he have gotten another Head Coaching gig ?
Who are you recommending the process is open up to if not " Football people" & retreads like Bellichick?
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:51 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
It's the ultimate form of nepotism.
Presidents, politicians, kings and queens and sultans of Arabia would be jealous of the incestuous circle-jerk fraternity that is the NFL and college football.
Most pro sports ownership are family run organizations rampant with Nepotism. Organizations passed down through the family & run by the family.
Most sports owners don't have a huge problem with it.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:13 pm to sugar71
quote:Considering his minor success in Cleveland? Yes actually. What he did there is actually really freaking good for them
He's also a retread who was 36-44 in Cleveland with 1 winning season out of 5.
Should he have gotten another Head Coaching gig ?
quote:Current engineers, econ majors from Harvard, etc etc
Who are you recommending the process is open up to
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:05 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Considering his minor success in Cleveland? Yes actually. What he did there is actually really freaking good for them
Compared to whom?
I should have said Bellichick was 36-44 with the Baltimore Ravens ( formerly known as the Browns) so people like you can't link them to the expansion Browns.
Marty Shottenheimer took over the Browns in 85- 88 in 4 full seasons ( interim half season before) he was 44-27.
Marty went to the playoffs all 4 years in Cleveland & won 3 straight Division titles & lost 2 crushing AFC Championship games( The Fumble & The Drive).
Even Bud Carson won another division title took them to the AFC Championship again in 89 after Marty was fired.
So the previous 6 seasons in Cleveland before Bellichick the Browns won 4 Division titles , 5 winning seasons & 3 AFC Championship games.
5 years after Bellichick ( and several bad seasons with Ted Marchibroda) they won their 1st SuperBowl.
Bellichick did not coach the expansion Browns.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:11 pm to lsupride87
The NFL is notorious for being fairly closed off and incestuous when it comes to coaches. It's why guys like Hue Jackson, Mike Mularkey, John Fox and Jim Caldwell keep getting jobs. It's why Norv Turner kept getting hired over and over again. There's a distinct level of comfort that owners want, and an intense resistance to evolve or innovate.
College is much more of a meritocracy. You work your way up and either pay your dues as a mid-major, G5 or lower tier P5 school or prove yourself as a coordinator with a good track record. If you fail, you usually don't get another shot unless you repeat that cycle and/or take a step down (e.g. Lane Kiffin, Charlie Strong). Hell, Les Miles can't even get the Minnesota job and he's got a NC ring.
College is much more of a meritocracy. You work your way up and either pay your dues as a mid-major, G5 or lower tier P5 school or prove yourself as a coordinator with a good track record. If you fail, you usually don't get another shot unless you repeat that cycle and/or take a step down (e.g. Lane Kiffin, Charlie Strong). Hell, Les Miles can't even get the Minnesota job and he's got a NC ring.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:31 pm to lsupride87
you act as if one can just wake up and one day and enter the football coaching field at or near the top.
usually one's career starts as a graduate assistant and the individual works their way up the system to HC. it takes YEARS to learn the profession and then only the top get the chance to be the head guy. same as working for a big company.
counting college and the pros there are probably around 200 positions available and there are thousands of guys competing for one of those jobs. it is intensely competitive and one of the hardest positions to obtain in the sports world. I liken it to being a CEO; a company may have thousands of employess but the have only one CEO.
usually one's career starts as a graduate assistant and the individual works their way up the system to HC. it takes YEARS to learn the profession and then only the top get the chance to be the head guy. same as working for a big company.
counting college and the pros there are probably around 200 positions available and there are thousands of guys competing for one of those jobs. it is intensely competitive and one of the hardest positions to obtain in the sports world. I liken it to being a CEO; a company may have thousands of employess but the have only one CEO.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:36 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Bingo. I honestly think it would make more sense to hire people that are just smart individuals who could analyze the game and deduct formations and the best plays to call in certain situations
I honestly think you have no experience in hiring people and being responsible for their results. theres nothing wrong with that but if i'm hiring and paying millions a year I want a guy with experience and a guy that's had experience in several different positions and locations.
honestly, hiring a smart individual to undertake the head coaching job is an easy path to utter failure. this isn't driving a bus, the top coach has a LOT of tasks on his plate and he needs to be successful in dealing with people. many "smart" people are introverts and don't know shite about dealing with people.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:43 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Who are you recommending the process is open up toCurrent engineers, econ majors from Harvard, etc etc
you have no clue son. if you get on an airplane and before takeoff the pilot comes on and informs all that he's never flown a plane before but not to worry because he's a member of mensa are you staying on that plane? you better be quick pal because all you are going to see is assholes and elbows.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:51 pm to lsupride87
the opposite of rocket science is coaching a team sport that has existed for a hundred years.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 5:21 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:You have no clue old man. This is a horrendous comparison
you have no clue son. if you get on an airplane and before takeoff the pilot comes on and informs all that he's never flown a plane before but not to worry because he's a member of mensa are you staying on that plane? you better be quick pal because all you are going to see is assholes and elbows.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:06 pm to lsupride87
Are you recommending hiring people who have not coached before?
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:08 pm to lsupride87
Just saw this. Jesus Christ.
Engineers and Econ majors? frick, I guess I qualify to be interviewed.
That guy would have zero respect from the players. You need to be in the sport at least some level to coach it. That guy you mentioned could be in the front office or advising coaches on game theory, risk management, etc.
Engineers and Econ majors? frick, I guess I qualify to be interviewed.
That guy would have zero respect from the players. You need to be in the sport at least some level to coach it. That guy you mentioned could be in the front office or advising coaches on game theory, risk management, etc.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:44 am to Vicks Kennel Club
With a BS in Engineering and a masters in Economics, what draft value would I hold if say, the Rams wanted to hire me away from my current team?
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 1:45 am
Posted on 1/12/17 at 4:02 am to Teddy Ruxpin
You can trace damn near every coach back to Woody Hayes and Paul Brown
Posted on 1/12/17 at 7:07 am to lsupride87
NASCAR driver is another one
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:51 am to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:This is one of the largest side benefits to an athletic scholarship. Being able to leverage this into a coaching gig, whether it's in football or basketball.
Which starts from being a freak athlete who gets a FBS scholarship (barrier of entry).
Page 2 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News