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re: Is college baseball really # 3 national sport?
Posted on 2/21/10 at 10:59 am to Stagg8
Posted on 2/21/10 at 10:59 am to Stagg8
SEC (the biggest baseball conference) attendance records
LSU 9,596
Arkansas 7,906
Ole Miss 7,002
South Carolina 6,804
Mississippi State 6,058
Alabama 4,010
Florida 2,981
Georgia 2,917
Vanderbilt 2,431
Auburn 2,229
Kentucky 1,676
Tennessee 1,357
not bad #'s...but I would like to point out..that Alabama Huntsville (The Frozen Tide)..averages 1837 people.....so even little ole hockey is beating 2 SEC schools in terms of attendance.
LSU 9,596
Arkansas 7,906
Ole Miss 7,002
South Carolina 6,804
Mississippi State 6,058
Alabama 4,010
Florida 2,981
Georgia 2,917
Vanderbilt 2,431
Auburn 2,229
Kentucky 1,676
Tennessee 1,357
not bad #'s...but I would like to point out..that Alabama Huntsville (The Frozen Tide)..averages 1837 people.....so even little ole hockey is beating 2 SEC schools in terms of attendance.
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Posted on 2/21/10 at 10:59 am to Stagg8
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Is there a way to separate that into attendance on days when only the women play?
most major college programs don't do mens/womens doubleheaders anymore. Only lower tier schools with small budgets still do that.
Posted on 2/21/10 at 10:59 am to Tiger Ugly
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Nor have I that women's hoops is because I don't need to make the argument. It is a fact backed up by numbers. Even women's hoops television ratings are higher.
Again, I haven't argued the college baseball / women's college basketball angle.
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:01 am to Elleshoe
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most major college programs don't do mens/womens doubleheaders anymore.
Really? Maybe so... I guess I just see it often enough to think it's common. But I think it's a bit naive to think that the women's numbers aren't inflated by men's attendance. How much so I wouldn't want to venture a guess.
But the fact that it is the premier women's sport, I wouldn't argue that it is not a very popular sport.
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:02 am to Stagg8
I don't think womens attendance at the top 10 schools is inflated by men's attendance at all. You never see schools like UConn, Tennessee, LSU (not in the top 10), Stanford etc. playing mens/womens doubleheaders.
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:04 am to Stagg8
Baseball is everywhere, so it's a bigger deal nationally by default.
College Hockey is bigger where it exists, however. There are only a couple of hockey programs that don't draw over 2000 per game, and many times that's because the arenas are just that small. Check out attendance figures if you don't believe it. Canadians follow it to some extent as well, since it's all their boys on the teams
It isn't really apples to apples though, since there are a lot of factors that make them very different and hard to compare (season, number of games played, region of country, etc)
College Hockey is bigger where it exists, however. There are only a couple of hockey programs that don't draw over 2000 per game, and many times that's because the arenas are just that small. Check out attendance figures if you don't believe it. Canadians follow it to some extent as well, since it's all their boys on the teams
It isn't really apples to apples though, since there are a lot of factors that make them very different and hard to compare (season, number of games played, region of country, etc)
This post was edited on 2/21/10 at 11:07 am
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:04 am to fightingtiger2335
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Georgia 2,917
Is the stadium that small? Georgia has been really good as of late and this is their record?
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:05 am to Elleshoe
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You never see schools like UConn, Tennessee, LSU (not in the top 10), Stanford etc. playing mens/womens doubleheaders.
Yeah, maybe so... I haven't been around it for so long that I honestly couldn't argue that. And again...
I'm really not arguing the women's college basketball / college baseball angle.Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:06 am to Stagg8
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Again, I haven't argued the college baseball / women's college basketball angle.
Fair enough, but you perhaps mistakenly replied to one of my posts referencing hocky and Lacrosse...again, neither of which I ever mentioned.
And again, the fact that women's hoops is No. 3 nationwide means that college baseball is not.
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:07 am to fightingtiger2335
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I think hockey may be the actual # 3 sport
It might not be baseball...it could be Women's basketball. It's certainly not hockey...that's ridiculous.
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:07 am to Stagg8
FTR, I'd rather watch baseball than an LSU WBB game any day.
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:07 am to Elleshoe
college baseball's growth has been exponentially bigger than any other college sport...teams like nebraska, notre dame, oregon state, and big 10 teams are competing now...youll never see teams in womens hoops other than the top 6-8 compete, northern teams in hockey, and eastern teams in lacrosse, FACT
it may not be the 3rd biggest right now, but it absolutely will be in a few years
it may not be the 3rd biggest right now, but it absolutely will be in a few years
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:09 am to DBG
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but it absolutely will be in a few years
nah.
I think the top 2 will obviously always be football and basketball and then the 3rd will be the regional "niche" sport for certain areas. And I don't see a problem with that. Its not like LSU's titles are tainted. They come from THE best baseball conference in the land...
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:10 am to Tiger Ugly
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And again, the fact that women's hoops is No. 3 nationwide means that college baseball is not.
If you really want to get right down to it, looking at the Top 10 attendance for women's basketball versus the Top 10 attendance for baseball would not be the way to do it. But it's a tough argument to really make, because regardless of whether or not top women's teams attendance numbers are boosted by men's basketball attendance, lower level women's college basketball attendance is definitely affected by men's attendance.
So in terms of what is a bigger sport "nationwide", the best metric would be either raw attendance over all divisions nationwide, or average attendance per game, per venue, over all divisions nationwide.
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:10 am to Elleshoe
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and then the 3rd will be the regional "niche" sport for certain areas
thats the thing
college baseball is slowly but surely growing out of its regional niche sport title
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:17 am to fightingtiger2335
there are 301 D1 baseball programs alone. That's not counting the D2 and 3, NAIA, and JUCOs. There are only 60 D1 hockey teams, and less than 15 D2. Most schools that have hockey teams also have baseball teams, not the other way around.
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:17 am to am4titansandlsu
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no one outside of the north gives a damn about hockey and no one outside the east coast cares about lacrosse. College baseball is big in the south, parts of the west coast, and much of the heart land. Its just not big in the north east or big ten country.
In summary, the games have regional interest, in some part due to weather. The area where people even know what lacrosse is, includes the megalopolis and its tv ratings, but aside from Ivy and ACC and the few teams in upstate NY that are located where lacrosse was actually played by the native tribes, no one fricking cares about lacrosse.
lacrosse is a mechanism for middle class kids with pretensions of attending an Ivy school to add to their check list of bs so they will be selected.
Hockey may be very popular where it is played, but the areas where it is seriously played are basically Minnesota, Wisc, Michigan and New England. You cant say a sport only played in a few states is #3.
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:18 am to DBG
College hockey must have some legs considering it's @ Ford Field this year and ESPN has expanded it's NCAA tourny coverage for it.
I meant to put this on MSB because alot of people on this board have a hard time admitting people watch college basketball and that's it's the 2nd sport in the nation over college baseball.
I agree with the niche theory...but the people saying that hockey is no where near college baseball are very narrow minded..just beacuse you don't like it doesn't mean it's not popular. Hell....pop music is proof of that.
I meant to put this on MSB because alot of people on this board have a hard time admitting people watch college basketball and that's it's the 2nd sport in the nation over college baseball.
I agree with the niche theory...but the people saying that hockey is no where near college baseball are very narrow minded..just beacuse you don't like it doesn't mean it's not popular. Hell....pop music is proof of that.
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:18 am to fightingtiger2335
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fightingtiger2335
dude let it go
Posted on 2/21/10 at 11:19 am to ottothewise
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lacrosse is a mechanism for middle class kids with pretensions of attending an Ivy school to add to their check list of bs so they will be selected.
biggest dumbass statement of the day
and I just woke up..
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