re: In case you still think the Mavs aren't soft

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I know your analysis typically sucks, but you just compared Dirk to Kareem and took it to a new level.

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Sarcasm METER IS BROKEN WITH THIS ONE./

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Why don't you wait for more than 1 game to have been played? Plus Chandler was in foul trouble the entire game and he wasn't being as aggressive as usual.

I will admit you are right when I see a trend out of this. Plus how can you say this is soft?

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So if Dirk plays precisely how he's played in these playoffs and the series goes to game 7 and DWade makes a last second half court heave to beat the Mavs by 1, Dirk isn't clutch?

Of if DWade misses that shot, Dirk suddenly becomes clutch?

That's the flaw in your logic.

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I never said Dirk would become clutch. Has any team won game 7 of the finals with a wild shot from half court or beyond the 3?

Your scenarios are stupid.

Dirk is such a terrible rebounder because he is one of only FOUR players in NBA history to average 25pts and 10 rebounds a game for his playoff career. If only he could rebound in important games...

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. Has any team won game 7 of the finals with a wild shot from half court or beyond the 3?

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there is an a example from the SB were 2 QB's lead their team into FG range in the last minutes where 1 kicker made the game winning FG and one missed. The QB with the kicker that made it was declared "clutch"

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You are wrong. Titles matter. That's the point of the fricking game. To win championships. If it wasn't, then Lebron would've stayed in Cleveland and just padded his stats for the rest of his career.

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this is a different argument, of course all players WANT to win a title, the point you are missing is that it takes a team to win one, which as you point out is why LeBron left Cleveland.

Judging players based on titles is what is stupid. LeBron would still be the best play if he was in Cleveland and went out in round 2. Funny how having better team mates makes him more "clutch".

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You are wrong. Titles matter. That's the point of the fricking game.

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Sure. But there are MANY great players who haven't won titles and MANY MORE mediocre players who have. You know why? Because it's a team sport.

A player is a top 20 player, whether or not he wins a title. Period. There are MANY, MANY mitigating circumstances that can prevent (or help) a player to win a title. One of them is LUCK.

Bottom line is that your approach is intellectually lazy.

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That's football. Basketball is totally different.

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so you are telling me most people don't judge certain football players as better based on titles ?

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there is an a example from the SB were 2 QB's lead their team into FG range in the last minutes where 1 kicker made the game winning FG and one missed. The QB with the kicker that made it was declared "clutch"


That's football. Basketball is totally different.

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You're the one who brought up "clutch" as a criterion, and that is a valid counter argument.

Similarly, if Dirk hits a jump shot to put the Mavs up by two as the clock winds down, and DWade hits a three to win it as time expires (not even a half court heave, just to calm your little nerves down), is Dirk suddenly "not clutch" and thus not worthy?

Again, either Dirk's status is what it is RIGHT NOW, REGARDLESS of the outcome of this series. He's either a top 20 PLAYER regardless of how his TEAM does in the next two weeks or he's not a top 20 player regardless of the result.

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So, if MJ would've won only 1 title, would he still be considered better then Kobe or Wilt or Kareem or Shaq?

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In my book, yes. If he had done everything else that he did, including getting to the finals and losing five of six times, he would still be the greatest PLAYER.