re: I like Delany's proposal Re: Conference Champions

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The BCS and the resulting formulas have resulted in weaker OOC's. The regular season may "mean" more, but there are less meaningful games.

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Not entirely true. Conferences play more conference games, so naturally OOC's are going to become weaker. SEC used to play six conference games and five OOC's; now it's 8 & 4. Obviously the OOC's are going to tend to be a bit weaker there, but that's because the conference schedule got stronger.

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Your computer formula may be great and all but if one Conference(the SEC)does not play OOC games with any good Conferences your formula will not work right, ie. one will never know because they were only with rent-a-win teams. The accuracy of good computer formula's is hinged upon all the Conferences playing each other. (which they do not- LOOKING AT YOU SEC). Thus, any such formula you could ever create would be flawed once you factored the SEC teams into it. Not all Conferences play quality OOC. Thus no computer formula can be truly accurate and really know.

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I'm not going to teach a math class here, but it is clear that you haven't really done a lot of research on this. I have. And you don't know what you're talking about.

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Your computer formula may be great and all but if one Conference(the SEC)does not play OOC games with any good Conferences

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IMO this is pretty much nonsense for anyone who has been paying attention to college football

Next year for example:

PAC 12 -
11 BCS opponents among 12 conference members

Arizona - Oklahoma State, South Carolina State, Toledo
ASU - Illinois, Missouri, Northern Arizona
California - tOSU, Southern Utah, Nevada
Colorado - Colorado State, Sacramento State, @ Fresno
Oregon - Fresno State, Arkansas State, Tennnessee Tech
Oregon State - Wisconsin, BYU, Nichols State
Stanford - Notre Dame, Duke, San Jose State
UCLA - Nebraska, Rice, Houston
USC - Notre Dame, Syracuse, Hawaii
Utah - Northern Colorado, Utah State, BYU
Washington - LSU, Portland State, San Diego State
Washington State - BYU, Eastern Washington, UNLV

Big 10 -
14 BCS opponents among 12 conference members

Illinois - ASU, La Tech, Charleston Southern, Western Michigan
Indiana - Massachussets, Navy, Ball State, Indiana State
Iowa - Iowa State, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, Central Michigan
Michigan - Alabama, Notre Dame, Massachussetts, Air Force
Michigan State - Notre Dame, Boise State, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan
Minnesota - Syracuse, Western Michigan, UNLV, New Hampshire
Nebraska - UCLA, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Idaho State
Northwestern - Boston College, Vanderbilt, Syracuse, South Dakota
Ohio State - California, UAB, UCF, Miami (OH)
PSU - Virginia, Navy, Temple, Ohio
Purdue - Notre Dame, Marshall, Eastern Michigan, Eastern KY
Wisconsin - Oregon State, UTEP, Utah State, Northern Iowa

SEC -
14 BCS opponents among 14 conference members

Alabama - Michigan, Fla Atl, Western Carolina, Western KY
Arkansas - Rutgers, Tulsa, La Monroe, Jacksonville State
Auburn - Clemson, New Mexico State, Alabama A&M, La Monroe
Florida - FSU, Bowling Green, Jacksonville State, La Laff
Georgia - Ga Tech, Ga Southern, Fla Atl, Buffalo
Kentucky - Louisville, Kent State, Samford, Western KY
LSU - Washington, North Texas, Idaho, Towson
Missouri - ASU, Syracuse, UCF, Southeastern LA
MSU - Troy, MTSU, South Alabama, Jackson State
Ole Miss - Texas, Tulane, UTEP, Central Arkansas
South Carolina - Clemson, East Carolina, UAB, Wofford
Tennessee - NC State, Troy, Akron, Georgia State
Texas A&M - SMU, La Tech, Sam Houston State, TBA
Vanderbilt - Northwestern, Wake Forest, Massachussetts, Presbyterian


I'm guessing the first response from this will be along the lines of "well that's because the PAC has fewer openings to fill with 3 OOC opponents per year".

First, that is wrong - because if you go back and look when the PAC had 4 ooc opponents they still didn't play significantly more opponents.

Secondly, that's not really relevant as an excuse when your starting argument was the SEC doesn't play anyone out of conference. The PAC and SEC functionally play an identical number of BCS opponents when you adjust by # of teams in the conference. And there's plenty of filler in the back end of both of their schedules between the 1aa programs and the terrible 1a teams.

ETA - failed to count Syrcause towards Missouri's total, I adjusted the numbers accordingly

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I'm not talking theoretically. OOC's HAVE gotten worse in the BCS era. When only conference titles mattered, they were better. This isn't speculation. The BCS and the resulting formulas have resulted in weaker OOC's. The regular season may "mean" more, but there are less meaningful games.

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You are ignoring the elephant in the room: More teams are in conferences rather than as independents. There are only 5 independents now in D1-AA. Notre Dame could join 3-4 conferences whenever they wanted to, but they choose to have an independent slate. The three military schools are just plain better off as independents. BYU went independent for more money and better opportunities.

There are still plenty of OOC games between BCS teams. What is kind of hurting it now is the tie ins to the BCS bowls. Why should some ACC and Big East schools risk too many big OOC matchups and risk getting embarassed when they can keep their smaller OOC match-ups and help out a school in their state and have a much easier time to a big payday?

Got look at all of the picture my man, not just the center.

The post above showed that there AREN'T that many games between BCS teams. It seems we average about 1 such game per team, regardless of conference affiliation. That sucks.

And this has nothing to do with independents. It has to do with teams unwilling to give up the cash cow and play a home and home. There are four open slots on everyone's schedule, there is no earthly reason you can't play at least two BCS conference teams.

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The post above showed that there AREN'T that many games between BCS teams. It seems we average about 1 such game per team, regardless of conference affiliation. That sucks.

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What's the difference between LSU/Tennessee and LSU/VirginiaTech?

We've basically replaced Rice/Tulane/A&M/MTSU/NCSt with Georgia/ULL/A&M/MTSU/NCSt and a 12th game that's a cupcake 2/3 of the time. The overall schedule hasn't gotten any easier.

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One thing that would help is if you stopped the voting in coaches' poll from non BCS coaches. They almost always overrank their small school brethren to the detriment of the quality and integrity of college football.

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pshaw

coaches and writers both vote based on name recognition - that certainly helps more BCS programs than midmajors

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coaches and writers both vote based on name recognition - that certainly helps more BCS programs than midmajors

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Coaches vote based on their knowledge of the game. The AP has zero impact on the BCS. Besides you don't think ESPN pimping the hell out of Boise and TCU doesn't help them with the Harris voters? I know it helps them with those god awful computer polls whose formula seems to change whenever the hell the those geeks want them too.

I'm saying that ESPN does sway opinions, but I'm saying their sway on writers means precisely dick. The AP poll is completely meaningless now. They are like the CBI in college basketball.

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If that was the case they should have been hammered in the bowls, no ?

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This has nothing to do with anything the context of what I was talking about. But now you see when the SEC brags to the world that it gets 8 teams bowling the rest of America just laughs... You try adding 6 extra loses auto to your Conference like us. And quit doing all 4 rent-a-wins(see Miss St, Kentucky ect) and see how good your records you have at seasons end...(ie. no bowling)