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re: How is John Curtis projected higher in playoff seeds than UHigh?
Posted on 10/21/13 at 8:54 am to jrevonte
Posted on 10/21/13 at 8:54 am to jrevonte
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So we need to go out and schedule the top teams in the country just to get a fair shake on playoff seating next year...what's fricked up is we could possibly finish #1 overall in Division II and still have to travel in the playoffs!
i talked at great length last night with a key figure in LSWA who is pushing to also do polls based on how selects are broken up... and in their sample poll he did...ya'll were 2 behind STM
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 10:03 am to choupiquesushi
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i talked at great length last night with a key figure in LSWA who is pushing to also do polls based on how selects are broken up... and in their sample poll he did...ya'll were 2 behind STM
Got any idea where Episcopal would fall in a sample poll on the 2A select division?
The power points are showing them at #3 in their division, behind Newman and Hannan, and 6th overall if 2A were considered as a whole, yet they have not gotten ranked as of yet.
I'm hoping their win over Dunham on Thursday will be enough for the pollsters to at least put them in the back half of the rankings instead of the "votes received" category.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 10:12 am to teke184
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Got any idea where Episcopal would fall in a sample poll on the 2A select division?
The power points are showing them at #3 in their division, behind Newman and Hannan, and 6th overall if 2A were considered as a whole, yet they have not gotten ranked as of yet.
I'm hoping their win over Dunham on Thursday will be enough for the pollsters to at least put them in the back half of the rankings instead of the "votes received" category.
yes #6 or 7... and I would have calvary at #2 or 3 in 2a...if not number 1...
you really can't put much stock in the rankings...if knew how the system works...
at best the avg voters sees.. ONE game per week...
if coaches did the poll, it would be very different than LSWA.. which was a part of our discussion...
Heck one year a team was ranked 11th nationally but 3rd in their class in state.. but they finished 1st...
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 10:30 am
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:06 pm to choupiquesushi
if the playoffs started today...
JC vs st louis
vandy - dls
uhigh TJ
EDW - STM
other side
ECA-loyola
Lusher PBS
TC SCC
St mike ND
JC vs st louis
vandy - dls
uhigh TJ
EDW - STM
other side
ECA-loyola
Lusher PBS
TC SCC
St mike ND
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:09 pm to jrevonte
quote:
How could John Curtis have a stronger power ranking for playoff seating
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:14 pm to LSUGrad9295
power rankings are
curtis
nd
eca
st tm
lab
pbs
tc
dls
vc
scc
lusher
tj
edw
loyala
st michaels
st louis
ben franklin who doesnt go to playoffs anyway
curtis
nd
eca
st tm
lab
pbs
tc
dls
vc
scc
lusher
tj
edw
loyala
st michaels
st louis
ben franklin who doesnt go to playoffs anyway
Posted on 10/29/13 at 1:51 pm to choupiquesushi
U-high moved up from 5 to 3 in the LHSAA unofficial power ranking. If we can pull off a win against West Feliciana then i think we will jump Evangel because we are w/in .07 one hundredths of a point behind them. it will be interesting to see how close we come to John Curtis considering the fact that they only play 9 games this year. we play 10.
This post was edited on 10/29/13 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 10/29/13 at 1:53 pm to jrevonte
New Jersey has something called Power Points. You get them for wins plus strength of schedule. Curtis has the SOS big time.
Same situation.
Same situation.
Posted on 10/29/13 at 2:03 pm to jrevonte
you obviously dont understand how power rankings work
Posted on 10/29/13 at 2:07 pm to jrevonte
The LHSAA no longer uses the simple wins + 10 formula that JJ27 was describing. They now use some sort of hybrid computer formula. However, if I'm not mistaken, Curtis playing only 9 games will not penalize them nor will U-High be rewarded for playing 10 games. The way I understand it, the system is designed to average a team's raw score against the games it has played. So, unless Curtis' 10th game would have been against a team that was BETTER than their current average, they are not missing out on anything. Conversely, the 10th game could hurt U-High if it is a loss and/or is against a team that is BELOW their current average.
Disclaimer: I could be way, way off base on the average/game calculation, but that is the way I believe it works.
Good luck!
Disclaimer: I could be way, way off base on the average/game calculation, but that is the way I believe it works.
Good luck!
Posted on 10/29/13 at 2:36 pm to Carson123987
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you obviously dont understand how power rankings work
no as a matter of fact i dont. when i was in highschool we didnt have power rankings. and if we did i surely didnt know about them. I trying to gain knowledge of how the system works because my oldest son is a freshman and starting on U-high's varsity so i have to become familiar with the system now.
Posted on 10/29/13 at 2:53 pm to jrevonte
The power rankings were one of the greatest things ever to happen to the lhsaa ...
Posted on 10/29/13 at 2:55 pm to jrevonte
if u high had the same schedule, they would have 3-4 losses
Posted on 10/29/13 at 2:59 pm to redfieldk717
Jrevonte don't count too fast that bump may come from playing a 5 -a. School
Who y'all play in week 10 could drop y'all some
Who y'all play in week 10 could drop y'all some
Posted on 10/29/13 at 3:34 pm to jrevonte
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no as a matter of fact i dont. when i was in highschool we didnt have power rankings. and if we did i surely didnt know about them. I trying to gain knowledge of how the system works because my oldest son is a freshman and starting on U-high's varsity so i have to become familiar with the system now.
I don't know how much the system has been tweaked over the years ,but the formula is basically:
1) A win = 10 points
2) A win over a higher classification school = extra 2 points each class. 2A U-High beats 5A Catholic they get 10 points plus extra 6 for beating a school 3 classifications higher.
3) You get 1 point for each of your opponents win.
So 2A U-High beats a 9-1 2A school & get 10 points for the win & 9 for each of it's opponents win. U-High has 19 power points for this win over a 9 win team.
Curtis beats a 5-5 class 5A school & they get 10 points for the win, 5 for each of it's opponents win & an extra 6 (2 x 3) for beating a team 3 classes higher.
Curtis gets 21 power points
for their win over a 5 win team while U-High gets 19 for their win over a 9 win 2A (equal) classified team. That causes the power point imbalance.
The formula may have been tweaked recently ,but 2A Curtis gets rewarded for playing Larger class schools out of district, especially quality ones.
Posted on 10/29/13 at 4:12 pm to jrevonte
jrevonte...just punishment because Dylan (as a freshman) is better than nearly any player (sans Dupre) on JC. 
I appreciate your quest for knowledge on a new subject.
I appreciate your quest for knowledge on a new subject.
Posted on 10/29/13 at 4:20 pm to sugar71
the difference comes when a team plays fewer than 10 games...
old system... win over a 5-4 team- 10+5=15
now... win over a 5-4 team- 10+ (5/9x10)=15.55555555
old system... win over a 5-4 team- 10+5=15
now... win over a 5-4 team- 10+ (5/9x10)=15.55555555
Posted on 10/29/13 at 5:17 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:
How is John Curtis projected higher in playoff seeds than UHigh?power rankings are curtis nd eca st tm lab pbs tc dls vc scc lusher tj edw loyala st michaels st louis ben franklin who doesnt go to playoffs anyway
Pios are 5th according to louisianafootballtalk.com
Posted on 10/29/13 at 6:12 pm to jrevonte
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what's fricked up is we could possibly finish #1 overall in Division II and still have to travel in the playoffs!
There is a 99% chance that every team in the playoffs plays at least 1 away game. Rummel was the #1 seed in 5A and had to travel for the Quarterfinals to play #9 Ouachita Parish about 4.5 hours away. I happened to #2 Barbe as well. Had to travel about 3.5 hours to play #7 Parkway.
#2 Notre Dame had to play @ #22 East Feliciana in the Semis.
Seeding doesn't really help all that much with home games. It all depends on what the other teams do.
Posted on 10/29/13 at 6:36 pm to Noplacelikehome
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There is a 99% chance that every team in the playoffs plays at least 1 away game. Rummel was the #1 seed in 5A and had to travel for the Quarterfinals to play #9 Ouachita Parish about 4.5 hours away. I happened to #2 Barbe as well. Had to travel about 3.5 hours to play #7 Parkway.
#2 Notre Dame had to play @ #22 East Feliciana in the Semis.
Seeding doesn't really help all that much with home games. It all depends on what the other teams d
A team cannot play consecutive home comes IF their opponent travelled the previous week no matter what seed. #1 seed vs 32 usually play the #16 v 17 seed winner in 2nd rd & higher seeds play at home.
If both higher seeds(#1 & #16 )win their home games the higher seed (#1) gets the next home game.
If the #1 seed wins ,but the lower seed #17 team(who traveled the week before at #16) wins then the #17 seed gets the home game over the #1 seed in week 2.
Same if the #32 seed travels & wins , but the higher seed #16 wins their home playoff game over 17 seed then the lowly #32 seed gets the home game in week 2. If both lower seeds(17 & 32) who travelled the week before win then the higher seed (17) gets the home game
This is the paramters throughout the playoffs that prevent teams from traveling consecutive weeks & their opponent gets consecutive home games. No matter what seed they are.
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