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re: Houston won for the 3rd time this season w/ Harden <23% from the field

Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:29 pm to
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:29 pm to
Synergy sports began tracking ISO possession in the 04-05 season. So we have well over a decade span that harden sits atop as GOAT ISO guy.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59874 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:34 pm to
Turnovers are a part of win share. Hate to break it to ya bubba.

You are knocking a home run hitter for not hitting enough singles.

Oh by the way hardwn has a lower turnover % than Lebron this year. FYI.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:38 pm to
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Something you aren't taking into account is that Harden shoots more 3's and free throws than LeBron does.

So even though his field goal percentage is lower, his TS% is just as good if not better than LeBron's... and that affects the outcome of the game.


Harden has a game a few years ago against Memphis where he scored 27 points on 2 made FGs. That's the most points scored with 3 or fewer makes in NBA history.

Out of respect for the great game of basketball, it's best we not talk about this kind of stuff.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:51 pm to
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Oh by the way hardwn has a lower turnover % than Lebron this year. FYI.


Harden cut down on his turnovers this year and LeBron's were way up with his bigger role as a facilitator. His Ast/TOV ration was higher than Harden's this year.

Harden had an excellent year. He'll win MVP because the award is a goofy one. The fact that Jordan and LeBron have 5 and 4, respectively, tells you all you need to know.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27870 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:52 pm to
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Harden has a game a few years ago against Memphis where he scored 27 points on 2 made FGs. That's the most points scored with 3 or fewer makes in NBA history.

Out of respect for the great game of basketball, it's best we not talk about this kind of stuff.
The point is that your <23% statistic is misleading as you are not telling the whole story.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112626 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:56 pm to
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The point is that your <23% statistic is misleading as you are not telling the whole story.
Gamescore does. Hint hint...
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 3:27 pm to
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The point is that your <23% statistic is misleading as you are not telling the whole story.


You point me to a good TS% game finder and I'll take a look. However, I'm not going through individual box scores.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 3:50 pm to
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Gamescore does. Hint hint...


LeBron's median game score this year was 25.0 Harden's was 22.05. On any given night this year, you could expect LeBron to bring more to the table from a productivity standpoint than Harden.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33897 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 3:50 pm to
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Wrong. Chris chose hardwn over Lebron. Best chance at a title. He obviously chose correctly too.


He didn't choose anything. He was traded.

Had Irving's trade request happened a few weeks earlier he probably does end up on Cleveland.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 3:52 pm
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
39940 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 3:56 pm to
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He didn't choose anything. He was traded


Sorta, no team was going to trade for him without the confidence that he was going to sign with them and everyone understood where Paul wanted to go.

It was in everyone’s best interest to do the trade. Clippers got something, rockets got more control over the contract and Paul will make more money

It’s like saying my wife and I agreed to split up but in reality she cheated on me and I had no say in the matter. However, since I am playing nice I am not getting rammed by her lawyer
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 3:58 pm
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33897 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 3:59 pm to
I know, but even still, there was no choice between Harden and Lebron.

Had Irving's trade request been a few weeks earlier, I'm think that's the trade that gets made. It makes even more sense for both teams.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 4:00 pm
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27900 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 4:06 pm to
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Yea, let’s punish harden for being so good that Chris Paul wanted to go play with him.

And that is the seed planted for the narrative change if LeBron joins Houston.

“Harden isn’t into super teams, but he can’t help it if the best player in the world wants to play with him.”
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
38921 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 4:28 pm to
Looks like playoff Harden is coming out again
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59874 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 4:31 pm to
there is no way you are commenting on this without knowing how it went down. Or we hope so at least.

He was traded bc told LAC he was going to CC. Either they could trade him and get nothing. Or they could let him walk. No he wasn’t going to CLE if he could team up with James in HOU.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59874 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 4:32 pm to
Dud if Lebron joins Houston I am no longer a rockets fan. End of story. lucky for me, he isn’t really wanted there. 1% chance. It’s gonna be LA with Paul George and kawhi and them. Or Philly. DARKHORSE: LAC and MIA
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 4:33 pm
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216143 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 4:37 pm to
So you would quit cheering for the Rockets if they land Bron??????
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59874 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 4:38 pm to
In a second!!!
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216143 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 4:40 pm to
Then you are not a REAL Rockets fan.......
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59874 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 4:42 pm to
I am a fan of the nba first and foremost. Before any team. And I am a fan of competition. I am too much of a competitor to pull for a super team.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 4/19/18 at 4:44 pm to
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He was traded bc told LAC he was going to CC. Either they could trade him and get nothing. Or they could let him walk. No he wasn’t going to CLE if he could team up with James in HOU.


We both know Cleveland wasn't feasible when that trade went down.
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