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Honestly Why Do We Even Human Officials?
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:56 am
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:56 am
In 2017 - especially in sports like baseball
Strike zone technology is incredible for starters
Blows my mind how humans continue to frick things up with their slow processing highly inefficient brains
Strike zone technology is incredible for starters
Blows my mind how humans continue to frick things up with their slow processing highly inefficient brains
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:58 am to rocket31
Not every game is equipped with enough/competent camera operators to judge slide calls and traps in the outfield.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:59 am to rocket31
Yeah, there is pretty much no controversy in tennis now, other than a few small items with with respect to how the challenges work. NFL and possibly college need a chip in the football or something as having chain gangs in this day and age is an abomination. Not sure where else tech can help. Basketball is a bit of a shite sport IMO because it's dictated by officiating, but not much you can do.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:04 am to lsutigers1992
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Not every game is equipped with enough/competent camera operators to judge slide calls and traps in the outfield.
Uh right, so they will be equipped as needed.
You're basically saying we can't do it because we don't already do it.
Acting like we wouldn't outfit every staidum with the necessary equipment is absurd.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:05 am to Bunk Moreland
Ya.
It's impossible to get everything decided by a computer, like subjective holding penalties, but it's really surprising that we do not have a bigger movement towards tech.
It's impossible to get everything decided by a computer, like subjective holding penalties, but it's really surprising that we do not have a bigger movement towards tech.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:10 am to rocket31
I don't want to live in a world where this doesn't get to happen
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:19 am to rocket31
Max Scherzer had a pretty good argument against it on Pardon My Take. It will remove the need for the catcher to squat low to give the ump a good view. When a runner is on base, they won't have to worry about framing a pitch and will be more ready to throw out a runner. Stolen bases may go way down.
I thought that was interesting and something I never thought about. It's not necessarily an argument to definitely keep human umps, but the game will be different.
I thought that was interesting and something I never thought about. It's not necessarily an argument to definitely keep human umps, but the game will be different.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 10:20 am
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:20 am to DestrehanTiger
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It will remove the need for the catcher to squat low
No it won't
He's just gonna stand there with his glove hanging down and pray the pitcher doesn't bury a curve ball for instance?
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:23 am to DestrehanTiger
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When a runner is on base, they won't have to worry about framing a pitch and will be more ready to throw out a runner. Stolen bases may go way down.
The stolen base is basically not a part of the game anymore anyway. Also, rewarding framing seems counterproductive. Making pitches look like a strike is a great skill to have as a catcher, but we should be rewarding pitchers that can hit spots, not catchers that can make it appear like a ball was a strike, in my opinion.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:25 am to TH03
I never said he wouldn't squat at all. He just may be more at 90 degrees when a good baserunner is on first. I'm not even saying catchers will necessarily change anything, but it's an example of a small thing that may be different. These small things add up to a different game.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 10:27 am
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:27 am to DestrehanTiger
That would make no sense though. I don't see the crouch being affected at all.
Let's say you're barely crouched for the entire at bat, then you get all the way down to call a pitch in the dirt on 0-2 to strike him out. You're tipping the pitch by moving your crouch and you're risking a passed ball if you stay up.
Let's say you're barely crouched for the entire at bat, then you get all the way down to call a pitch in the dirt on 0-2 to strike him out. You're tipping the pitch by moving your crouch and you're risking a passed ball if you stay up.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:27 am to DestrehanTiger
Baseball fans are the biggest bunch of blowhards in the world. Go see George Carlin's rant on baseball
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:31 am to DestrehanTiger
Interesting argument but I'm not sure if I entirely buy into it
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:45 am to rocket31
It amazes how college and the NFL have not yet setup cameras at both goal lines and from both sidelines that are strictly dedicated to those locations. There's been so many TD reviews over the past few years that it's hard to really tell whether it's a TD or not because of the camera angle.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:53 am to rocket31
Imagine if the Sid Bream game was played under these conditions. The play happens, and we get no call for 5 minutes because we have to check the cameras. And we better pray to God that there's a camera angle that got the play beyond the shadow of a doubt, because too much is on the line right there.
I like it for balls and strikes. But imagine if the Lyn Rollins LSU baseball crew is doing the game. Those dudes couldn't find fly balls 2 or 3 times a game. They'd be searching center field for a fly out to right.
I like it for balls and strikes. But imagine if the Lyn Rollins LSU baseball crew is doing the game. Those dudes couldn't find fly balls 2 or 3 times a game. They'd be searching center field for a fly out to right.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:15 am to KillerNut9
It really is mind numbing
They could even promote deals with GoPro or whoever and profit millions
They could even promote deals with GoPro or whoever and profit millions
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:15 am to rocket31
So are we only going to do this for MLB games? At what point in little league, high school, college, minor leagues, major leagues do you implement the technology, even just for strike zones? And what happens when it goes down, as even in football/basketball they sometimes have to keep the time/score on the field or in a book as the computers go down.
We currently use technology in football to review catches, TDs, ect and it takes forever. Are you really suggesting removing all human officials to make every single play reviewable and go through that process?
I completely understand using technology for controversial calls, but using it for every play would slow down games even more and those humans get it right almost all the time.
We currently use technology in football to review catches, TDs, ect and it takes forever. Are you really suggesting removing all human officials to make every single play reviewable and go through that process?
I completely understand using technology for controversial calls, but using it for every play would slow down games even more and those humans get it right almost all the time.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:02 pm to rocket31
Give it another 50 years, it'll happen.
The technology is normally way ahead of people's willingness to trust it and adopt it.
The technology is normally way ahead of people's willingness to trust it and adopt it.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:13 pm to rocket31
not only should we get rid of human officials, but I am getting sick and tired of seeing these athletes continuously screw up and choke when the game is on the line. how hard is it to throw strikes? we need to replace them with androids who will be able to perform at a much higher level than humans could ever dream of. coaches too, for that matter. every team should be provided with an IBM Watson to make decisions.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:26 pm to rocket31
I'll just get in to baseball, but there are many instances where you need a human official.
Calling balls and strikes is really one of them, when runners are on base.
With no runners on base it can be done electronically, but say there's a runner on first and the batter swings a ball low and away, barely tips it, and it gets away from the catcher. Is the computer going to instantly let everyone on the field know that it was a foul tip so the runner can't try to take second, and the catcher doesn't have to jump up to get the ball trying to hold him at first? That information has to be relayed in a fraction of a second or it affects the play.
Or when it gets to a full count, runner on first with less than two outs, and they are moving on the pitch. If they take a close pitch, the catcher has to know immediately whether it's a strike or ball, because he doesn't want to throw down to second unnecessarily and risk throwing it into CF and giving the runner third base. He can't be looking somewhere else for a red or green light indicating ball or strike.
A trap play in the OF with less than two outs and runners on, everyone needs to know immediately what the call is because it affects how the rest of the play unfolds. Do the runners have to go back, are they advancing, where does the fielder need to throw it? Is everyone supposed to look at a scoreboard mid play to see the call?
I don't see how non-human umpires are going to relay that information to everyone fast enough, and those are just a few examples.
There are definitely some instances (like a batter up with nobody on base) that make more sense than others.
Calling balls and strikes is really one of them, when runners are on base.
With no runners on base it can be done electronically, but say there's a runner on first and the batter swings a ball low and away, barely tips it, and it gets away from the catcher. Is the computer going to instantly let everyone on the field know that it was a foul tip so the runner can't try to take second, and the catcher doesn't have to jump up to get the ball trying to hold him at first? That information has to be relayed in a fraction of a second or it affects the play.
Or when it gets to a full count, runner on first with less than two outs, and they are moving on the pitch. If they take a close pitch, the catcher has to know immediately whether it's a strike or ball, because he doesn't want to throw down to second unnecessarily and risk throwing it into CF and giving the runner third base. He can't be looking somewhere else for a red or green light indicating ball or strike.
A trap play in the OF with less than two outs and runners on, everyone needs to know immediately what the call is because it affects how the rest of the play unfolds. Do the runners have to go back, are they advancing, where does the fielder need to throw it? Is everyone supposed to look at a scoreboard mid play to see the call?
I don't see how non-human umpires are going to relay that information to everyone fast enough, and those are just a few examples.
There are definitely some instances (like a batter up with nobody on base) that make more sense than others.
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