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re: Heels 50 v. Duke 82
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:21 am to Jordanreid2000
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:21 am to Jordanreid2000
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Idk about that, but they are always given calls because they are DUKE. Charges, blocks, etc.. Watch them in the ACC and NCAA Tourneys. THEN you will understand the hate.
I've explained this before, but Duke's style leads to this. They have their star drive to the basket a lot. This will lead to a lot of free throws. When there are a lot of fouls being called the refs ALWAYS tend to get caught up in the emotion of that. Duke has games where they are getting shitty calls all game too, just no one ever notices that.
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Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:28 am to Palm Beach Tiger
This season has been terrible. I don't think iv posted in more than 2 UNC threads this year. This team has no outside shooting. Ginyard just doesn't look the same. Its just been a painful painful year.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:34 am to Palm Beach Tiger
I get why everyone hates North Caronlina in here. 95% of it stems from the hatred for Roy Williams. The other 5% probably just don't like front runners and hate Carolina because they are always at the top winning national championships. I really don't care that Caronlina lost by 30+ the other night. I knew they were shite when the season started. I wasn't expecting much. They played duke within 10 points at chapel hill, and just got hammered by a hot team the other night. Duke was the better team, but they can take the moral victory right up the arse when they get beat in the second round or sweet 16. They can lube it with North Carolina's 2 championship rings they've won in the last 5 years. Carolina was left with a bunch of role players and no major scorer's from last year. There was no consistant guard play, post play or any kind of play. I have been saying that all year. They will be better next year, and they have got some studs coming in that I am sure will pan out unlike Hensen. So enjoy it for now, and I can't wait till next year. Duke is going to be shite without Singler and Scheyer.
This post was edited on 3/8/10 at 9:36 am
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:44 am to Kracka
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Duke is going to be shite without Singler and Scheyer.
I'll bet anything you want that Duke isn't as bad next year as UNC is this year? I'd be surprised if Duke isn't a top 6 seed in the NCAA tourny next year.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:49 am to Palm Beach Tiger
Good teams generally have more free throws than their opponents. Duke has been a very good team for the past 15 years. But even then, the free throw disparity isn't that big.
Here is Duke's ACC breakdown of free throw attempts
Clemson 24/Duke 25
@ Georgia Tech 28/Duke 28
BC 26/ Duke 27
Wake Forest 25/Duke 32
@ NC State 26/Duke 33
@ Clemson 13/Duke 11
FSU 14/Duke 17
GT 28/Duke 36
@BC 15/Duke 26 (BC intentionally fouled the last 5 possessions)
@ UNC 16/Duke 18
Maryland 13/Duke 22
@ Miami 22/Miami 27
VT 16/Duke 26
@ UVA 18/Duke 17
@ Maryland 19/Duke 16
UNC 26/Duke 23
Here is Duke's breakdown of fouls in a game
Clemson 24/Duke 19
Georgia Tech 17/Duke 24
BC 21/Duke 21
Wake Forest 24/Duke 23
NC State 24/Duke 21
Clemson 14/Duke 15
FSU 19/Duke 20
GT 27/Duke 25
BC 22/Duke 19
UNC 16/Duke 16
Maryland 18/Duke 13
Miami 21/Duke 21
VT 22/Duke 18
UVA 15/Duke 17
MD 17/Duke 20
UNC 16/Duke 22
Here is Duke's ACC breakdown of free throw attempts
Clemson 24/Duke 25
@ Georgia Tech 28/Duke 28
BC 26/ Duke 27
Wake Forest 25/Duke 32
@ NC State 26/Duke 33
@ Clemson 13/Duke 11
FSU 14/Duke 17
GT 28/Duke 36
@BC 15/Duke 26 (BC intentionally fouled the last 5 possessions)
@ UNC 16/Duke 18
Maryland 13/Duke 22
@ Miami 22/Miami 27
VT 16/Duke 26
@ UVA 18/Duke 17
@ Maryland 19/Duke 16
UNC 26/Duke 23
Here is Duke's breakdown of fouls in a game
Clemson 24/Duke 19
Georgia Tech 17/Duke 24
BC 21/Duke 21
Wake Forest 24/Duke 23
NC State 24/Duke 21
Clemson 14/Duke 15
FSU 19/Duke 20
GT 27/Duke 25
BC 22/Duke 19
UNC 16/Duke 16
Maryland 18/Duke 13
Miami 21/Duke 21
VT 22/Duke 18
UVA 15/Duke 17
MD 17/Duke 20
UNC 16/Duke 22
This post was edited on 3/8/10 at 9:51 am
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:50 am to Keys Open Doors
Totals
In 16 games, 317 fouls were called against Duke opponents. 312 were called for Duke. They have a whopping .3 fouls per game advantage. Take away the intentional fouls at BC, and they are dead even.
In 16 games, Duke's opponents shot 349 free throws. Duke shot 384 free throws. That's 2.2 more per game. Considering that better teams usually get more free throws than their opponents because of their playing style, you might even expect a bigger discrepancy.
Then again, Duke isn't the team that had 10 straight foul calls go against their opponents in a close game, or a 34-6 free throw advantage over a team they lost to in overtime.
In 16 games, 317 fouls were called against Duke opponents. 312 were called for Duke. They have a whopping .3 fouls per game advantage. Take away the intentional fouls at BC, and they are dead even.
In 16 games, Duke's opponents shot 349 free throws. Duke shot 384 free throws. That's 2.2 more per game. Considering that better teams usually get more free throws than their opponents because of their playing style, you might even expect a bigger discrepancy.
Then again, Duke isn't the team that had 10 straight foul calls go against their opponents in a close game, or a 34-6 free throw advantage over a team they lost to in overtime.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:54 am to Palm Beach Tiger
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I'll bet anything you want that Duke isn't as bad next year as UNC is this year?
Look who Duke is losing besides those two and tell me that again. They may not be as bad as Carolina, but depending on how the rest of the ACC rebounds from suckiness, Duke will not be a top 10 ACC team next year, or a top 15 team nationally.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:56 am to Keys Open Doors
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Good teams generally have more free throws than their opponents. Duke has been a very good team for the past 15 years. But even then, the free throw disparity isn't that big.
People like to use that argument mainly because they themselves get caught up in rooting against duke and the emotion of a game. They really don't pay attention and assume Duke is getting the benefit of the doubt with foul calls and free throws. In reality it really doesn't happen often if at all.
ETA: I just blacked out for a second there, did I just defend Duke?.......
This post was edited on 3/8/10 at 9:57 am
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:00 am to Kracka
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Duke was the better team, but they can take the moral victory right up the arse when they get beat in the second round or sweet 16.
Duke's been beaten in the second round or earlier twice in the past decade. In other words, they've been to the Sweet 16 or better more than UNC has made it to the actual tournament.
And keep in mind that Duke has 8 Final Fours and 3 titles in the past two decades. It's not like they perpetually underachieve in the tournament. The past 5 years have been the worst run in 25 years. Just shows how dominant Duke has been.
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I knew they were shite when the season started. I wasn't expecting much.
The media fell for it. Pre-season number 4 in the country, ACC co-champs.
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Carolina was left with a bunch of role players and no major scorer's from last year.
In 2006-07, Duke had one scholarship upperclassmen on the entire team. They still went 22-10, but of course, everyone talked about Duke's decline.
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Duke is going to be shite without Singler and Scheyer.
We'll see if Singler stays or goes. If he stays, they are probably pre-season number 1. If he goes, it will be a big loss because there are few wings on the team. However, Duke is bringing in the leading freshman scorer in D-1 in 2008-09 as well as the best high school point guard in the country. I think that Zoubek and Thomas's impact will be actually be more pronounced than Scheyer's although he is obviously a much better player.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:00 am to Kracka
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Duke will not be a top 10 ACC team next year
BOLD STATEMENT. I would be very surprised if this happens.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:07 am to Keys Open Doors
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I think that Zoubek and Thomas's impact will be actually be more pronounced than Scheyer's although he is obviously a much better player.
IMO I think they won't miss Zoubek and Thomas as much because of the two brother that they have. Plumlee(sp) i think their names are. Mason?
I thought that Singler was a Sr. But obviously I am wrong. I don't see him coming back, but it is Duke, and he is white. So you never know.
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And keep in mind that Duke has 8 Final Fours and 3 titles in the past two decades.
Keep in mind that Carolina has just as many NC's with 4 different coaches in that time. Not sure about the number of Final Fours they've been to. I know Guthrige made it to one maybe two and Roy's been to 2.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:11 am to Kracka
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I don't see him coming back, but it is Duke, and he is white. So you never know.
racist lol
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:21 am to Kracka
Oh, UNC is a great power. No argument there. I would vote them as the team of the decade, with Kansas and Duke following behind. However, UNC has definitely had more peaks and valleys in the past decade. Most of that is related to an absolutely miserable hire, who made constant media gaffes, alienated his players, and couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. I guess that's why Doherty's my favorite UNC coach ever 
Roy had a one year hiccup, most likely. I expect UNC as a top 20-25 team next year and a top 4 ACC team, but there will be some transfers. I am expecting Leslie McDonald and Larry Drew II to head elsewhere and Ed Davis to go pro.
Singler's decision will impact Duke's ranking so much. I would say 15 spots in the end of the year rankings. I hope he comes back because he is a mid-second round projected pick right now.
The Plumlees will be better on offense next year than Thomas and Zoubek. Defensively, I don't see it. They are very athletic, but get lost on defense so much. Without Singler, I see Duke losing a bunch of games 88-80 or something like that.
Roy had a one year hiccup, most likely. I expect UNC as a top 20-25 team next year and a top 4 ACC team, but there will be some transfers. I am expecting Leslie McDonald and Larry Drew II to head elsewhere and Ed Davis to go pro.
Singler's decision will impact Duke's ranking so much. I would say 15 spots in the end of the year rankings. I hope he comes back because he is a mid-second round projected pick right now.
The Plumlees will be better on offense next year than Thomas and Zoubek. Defensively, I don't see it. They are very athletic, but get lost on defense so much. Without Singler, I see Duke losing a bunch of games 88-80 or something like that.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:34 am to Keys Open Doors
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I am expecting Leslie McDonald and Larry Drew II to head elsewhere
What makes you think this?
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Ed Davis to go pro.
Would be the biggest mistake of his life if he really takes his basketball career seriously.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:34 am to Kracka
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Look who Duke is losing besides those two and tell me that again
I'm telling you that again. Duke will be ranked next season.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:42 am to Kracka
Last week, Drew said that if the season ended today, he would look to stay in California. Apparently, Roy is unhappy with his dad's meddling. I also don't think Drew is into UNC that much. He was one of the few guys from Wake, Duke, UNC, and NC State to avoid the NC Pro-Am and stay at home to work on his game.
As for McDonald, someone claiming to be Dexter Strickland's cousin posted on the UNC Scout board last week. His post was entirely reasonable, with no scandalous stories or talks about a massive exodus out of Chapel Hill. He said that there was some tension within the team, but nothing too crazy. The only noticeably bad thing was that one of the freshmen thought that Roy had given up on him from the second week of practice onward. He regretted his decision from the start of the season.
He wrote positive things about Henson, his cousin, and the Wears, so McDonald was the logical conclusion. It seems believable to me.
I agree with you on Ed Davis, but NBA GMs are morons. He will probably get a lottery guarantee for no good reason.
As for McDonald, someone claiming to be Dexter Strickland's cousin posted on the UNC Scout board last week. His post was entirely reasonable, with no scandalous stories or talks about a massive exodus out of Chapel Hill. He said that there was some tension within the team, but nothing too crazy. The only noticeably bad thing was that one of the freshmen thought that Roy had given up on him from the second week of practice onward. He regretted his decision from the start of the season.
He wrote positive things about Henson, his cousin, and the Wears, so McDonald was the logical conclusion. It seems believable to me.
I agree with you on Ed Davis, but NBA GMs are morons. He will probably get a lottery guarantee for no good reason.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 11:35 am to Kracka
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