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re: Hakeem Olajuwon includes Lebron, Shaq in his All-Time Starting Five
Posted on 11/22/13 at 9:33 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Posted on 11/22/13 at 9:33 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:What technology are you speaking of?
Shaq had 90's and 00's technology, medical, and travel advance that did not apply to the pre-merger days in the NBA.
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Posted on 11/22/13 at 9:38 pm to SPEEDY
quote:That's a nice little propaganda film.
The Strength of Wilt
I want to know what it is about human beings who pump up great people from the past to mythical proportions after they are gone.
There has to be word for it in psychology or sociology or something.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 10:21 pm to PrimeTime Money
I'd take Shaq over Wilt (both at their prime), because Shaq was just SO big and strong. Ain't nothing to do with modern technology, Shaq was just a humongous man. He isn't "tall", so much as he is "big".
Same vein- I saw both Moses Malone and Tim Duncan play, and Moses at his peak would maul Duncan inside. He might not have the length or midrange game Duncan has, but he was a pure beast.
Shaq and Moses on the same team = serious carnage down low.
Same vein- I saw both Moses Malone and Tim Duncan play, and Moses at his peak would maul Duncan inside. He might not have the length or midrange game Duncan has, but he was a pure beast.
Shaq and Moses on the same team = serious carnage down low.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 10:30 pm to Scoob
Duncan held his own with Shaq in his prime so I don't know how you think Moses would dominate him.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 10:44 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
I want to know what it is about human beings who pump up great people from the past to mythical proportions after they are gone.
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I want to know what it is about human beings who pump up great people from the past to mythical proportions after they are gone.
He scored 100 points in a game. He averaged 50 and 25 that season. Regardless of era and competition, that's got to be worth something.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 10:54 pm to mattz1122
Give me
Stockton
Jordan
Reggie Miller
Duncan
Shaq
Stockton would be great running this offense
Jordan is Jordan
Miller would be a knock down 3 point shooter
Duncan spaces the floor a little more, however if this was the best play he would not be here
Shaq was one of the most dominant post players ever.
Stockton
Jordan
Reggie Miller
Duncan
Shaq
Stockton would be great running this offense
Jordan is Jordan
Miller would be a knock down 3 point shooter
Duncan spaces the floor a little more, however if this was the best play he would not be here
Shaq was one of the most dominant post players ever.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 3:00 am to Sigma
quote:
Stockton over Magic?
Either of these guys over Curly Neal? Dude made the Generals look silly for years.
ETA: I'll admit. I've never seen how he plays against anyone else.
This post was edited on 11/23/13 at 3:15 am
Posted on 11/23/13 at 9:22 am to Sigma
quote:
Stockton over Magic?
Many feel this way- Can you imagine Stockton feeding Jordan? Scary thought...
Posted on 11/23/13 at 12:06 pm to mattz1122
quote:I'm not talking about something like that. I'm talking about when people give interviews and talk about how awesome a guy was and say ridiculous stuff.
He scored 100 points in a game. He averaged 50 and 25 that season. Regardless of era and competition, that's got to be worth something.
Here are some examples:
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Many don’t know it, but Wilt used to lift weights with Arnold Schwarzenegger and got his bench press up to over 500 lbs. He has been credited by many as having been able to bench as much as 500 pounds even during his college days
Anybody who lifts weights knows that somebody that tall with arms that long who was a basketball player would not be bench pressing 500 pounds. Especially not when he was in college and only weighed about 230.
Here is another one:
quote:
Several years after Wilt stopped playing; he toyed with the idea of a comeback. On the day he visited the Knicks' offices in Madison Square Garden; he talked to Red Holzman, and then strode out to the elevator.
When it opened, two deliverymen were struggling with a dolly piled high with boxes of office supplies, mostly letterheads and envelopes.
The load was so heavy, the elevator had stopped maybe four inches below the floor level and now the deliverymen were huffing and puffing, but they couldn't raise the dolly high enough to get it on the floor level.
After maybe two minutes of the deliverymen's huffing and puffing, Wilt, his biceps bulging in a tank top, peered down at them and intoned, "Gentlemen, maybe I can help."
They stepped back, he stepped into the elevator, grabbed each end of the rope slung under the dolly and without much exertion, quickly lifted the dolly onto the floor level.
Looking up in awe, the deliverymen said, "Thank you." Wilt said, "You're welcome."
Wilt stepped into the elevator and rode down to the street level as another witness followed the two deliverymen toward the Knick offices and asked, "How much does all this weigh?"
They quickly surveyed the stack of big boxes of office supplies. "Close to 600 pounds," one said.
[Source: The Good Natured Giant Wasn't Belligerent, Sports of the Times; Oct 13, 1999; Dave Anderson]
Yeah, I'm sure Wilt just lifted a dolly weighing 600 pounds up without much trouble.
People make up stuff over time or greatly exaggerate stories that are indirectly related to the sport to try to "prove" how awesome the person was.
It's like people exaggerate these stories with the sole purpose of them having ammunition when people try to say how much stronger Shaq was than Wilt.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 12:11 pm to PrimeTime Money
Same thing has happened with MJ. Same thing will happen with Shaq and LeBron. Everyone over-romanticizes the best player from their era.
Shaq was stronger than anyone in his era. Wilt was stronger than anyone in his era. There's a reason Shaq was considered a "modern day Wilt." It's stupid to directly compare them because the eras were completely different. You can only judge them relative to their eras.
Shaq was stronger than anyone in his era. Wilt was stronger than anyone in his era. There's a reason Shaq was considered a "modern day Wilt." It's stupid to directly compare them because the eras were completely different. You can only judge them relative to their eras.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 12:13 pm to mattz1122
quote:What myths are there about MJ?
Same thing has happened with MJ.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 12:28 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:He was cut from his HS team? I'm sure there's some work ethic myths out there too since it's obvious his free time was spent gambling.
What myths are there about MJ?
Posted on 11/23/13 at 12:33 pm to jturn17
quote:So... you really can't think of any myths.
He was cut from his HS team? I'm sure there's some work ethic myths out there too since it's obvious his free time was spent gambling.
He wasn't cut from his high school team. He was cut from the varsity team when he was a sophomore.
This information is known.. it's just that some people misinterpreted the facts.
However, with myths like Wilt benched 500 pounds, there isn't any "factual" information out there that disputes this. It's like somebody just made it up and it became fact.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 1:15 pm to PrimeTime Money
Myth: an idea or story that is believed by many people but that is not true
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quote:Yet still somehow qualifies as a myth.
This information is known.. it's just that some people misinterpreted the facts.
This post was edited on 11/23/13 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 11/23/13 at 1:20 pm to PrimeTime Money
That was definitely a myth.
For years we were led to believe that MJ just wasn't good enough to make his HS basketball team, so he spent the following year working relentlessly to improve his game to become the great player we all knew him as. If that wasn't stated directly, it certainly was implied.
And everyone was like "OMG, his coach was an idiot!" As it turns out, MJ was merely an underclassmen trying to make a team that lacked size.
For years we were led to believe that MJ just wasn't good enough to make his HS basketball team, so he spent the following year working relentlessly to improve his game to become the great player we all knew him as. If that wasn't stated directly, it certainly was implied.
And everyone was like "OMG, his coach was an idiot!" As it turns out, MJ was merely an underclassmen trying to make a team that lacked size.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 1:24 pm to Hoyas
quote:
Shaq made him above average.
Hakeem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SHAQ. its not really that close.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 1:27 pm to jturn17
Call it what you want... but you know what I am talking about.
The idea that Jordan was cut from his high school team is based in fact. He was cut from his varsity team one year. And you can look up that fact even if some people misunderstood and were not entirely correct when they said Jordan was cut from his high school team.
But with Wilt, there is no way to verify any of that information. It is just stories. Either made up or highly exaggerated. There are no facts that you can look to that would prove the myth wrong.
Jordan's "myth" grew from misunderstanding. Not from legend. Wilt's myths grew from people trying to pump up his legend. There is a difference.
The idea that Jordan was cut from his high school team is based in fact. He was cut from his varsity team one year. And you can look up that fact even if some people misunderstood and were not entirely correct when they said Jordan was cut from his high school team.
But with Wilt, there is no way to verify any of that information. It is just stories. Either made up or highly exaggerated. There are no facts that you can look to that would prove the myth wrong.
Jordan's "myth" grew from misunderstanding. Not from legend. Wilt's myths grew from people trying to pump up his legend. There is a difference.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 1:36 pm to PrimeTime Money
Embellished facts can grow into myths. And the Jordan myth has been much, much more widespread than the Wilt myth you mentioned.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 1:41 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
He wasn't cut from his high school team. He was cut from the varsity team when he was a sophomore.
Care to explain the difference?
Sophmore = high school
Varsity = high school
Posted on 11/23/13 at 1:42 pm to Powerman
quote:
Sorry, but Shaq wouldn't be able to knock Wilt around. It could be argued that Wilt would be the one doing the kicking around. Wilt was strong as hell Knock it off with the jokes man
Wilt would have dominated Shaq.
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