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re: Guy could win $30K on MNC if AU wins

Posted on 12/9/10 at 2:52 pm to
Posted by Herbstreit
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/9/10 at 2:52 pm to
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Betting $1000 at 100/1 odds sounds like a quick way to lose that $1000 to me.

Couldn't have said it better myself
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
36373 posts
Posted on 12/9/10 at 2:58 pm to
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Yea you have a chance of winning both BUT that chance is very slim.
If he puts 15K on the money line he wins $19,500 if Oregon wins 30K if Auburn wins (minus 15K).
If he puts 15K on +3, he wins $14,285 of Oregon wins or losses by 2 or less.

The odds of Auburn winning by 1 or 2 are much less and I would rather have an extra 4K in my pocket than take the risk to win both


I didn't realize that the difference was that big. I would have thought, given the spread is only +3, the money line was about $15.5k, and the spread about $14.5k. I didn't realize the gap was that large. Under the former, I would bet the spread and hope Auburn wins by 1 or 2, but with the gap that large, you're right, I'd go with straight moneyline Oregon (though I'd only put $10k, not $15k, on the Ducks).
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
36373 posts
Posted on 12/9/10 at 3:03 pm to
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yes, but that is unlikely and a spread bet is -110, meaning hed have to beat 16500 to win 15000.

ML gets odds, probably soemthing like +125-+140 I'd guess


Right, like I said, didn't know the exact odds, that was just kind of a guess.
Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
Member since Dec 2004
31010 posts
Posted on 12/9/10 at 3:18 pm to
Folks, the guy may have been smart enough to max bet a future on Aub at 100/1. But, I can assure you, that even if he to be a rich vacationer passing through Vegas drunkenly plopping a maximum future wager on his overlay Aubie Tigers, or even a 'Common Joe' with a mediocre job, and financial woes in this turbulent economy..

He isn't gonna risk half of his potential payout trying to land a mere 1 or 2 pt middle attempt..

He isn't out to show the world he's Einstein-Incarnate!

P.S. Only the rare homer bets his fav for a max future ticket..90+% of the time these tix are in the hands of professionals.
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
36373 posts
Posted on 12/9/10 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

so if he bet $15K on Oregon and Auburn wins by 1, then he'll win $45,000
if he bet 15K on Oregon and Auburn loses, then he'll win $15,000??
if he doesnt bet and Auburn loses in the NC, then he's out 30,000


It sounds like these are his options (this is with the assumption that he puts down 15k on all bets, which he obviously might place 10k or 5k or 20k, etc):

If he bets $15k on Oregon (by the spread, NOT the money line) and Auburn wins by one or two, he wins $44,285 (wins $30,300 from Auburn winning [on a $300 bet, net of $30,000], wins $14,285 from Oregon covering the spread).

If he bets $15k on Oregon (by the spread, NOT the money line) and Auburn wins by more than three, he wins $15,000 (wins $30,300 from Auburn winning [on a $300 bet, so net of $30,000], loses $15,000 from Oregon not covering the spread).

If he bets $15k on Oregon (by the spread and not the money line) and Oregon wins, he wins $13,985 (wins $14,285 from Oregon covering the spread, loses $300 from his initial bet on Auburn).

If he bets $15k on Oregon (by the money line, not the spread) and Auburn wins, he wins $15,000 (wins $30,300 from Auburn winning [on a $300 bet, so net of $30,000], loses $15,000 on Oregon winning).

If he bets $15k on Oregon (by the money line, not the spread) and Oregon wins, he wins $19,200 (wins $19,500 from Oregon winning, loses $300 on initial Auburn bet).

Obviously, if he bets $0, he either gets $30,000 if Auburn wins or loses $300 if Oregon wins.

I think his best option is actually the spread for Oregon. I was originally spread, then I was money line, now I'm back to spread. Essentially, he has a choice. If he bets the money line or spread on Oregon, and Auburn wins by more than 3, it's the exact same either way, so that doesn't matter. He has the option of winning $30k more if Auburn wins by 1 or 2 if you bet Oregon by the spread instead of the money line than if Oregon wins. Or the option of winning $4k more if Oregon wins straight up if you bet Oregon money line instead of spread. I think I'd take my chance at the additional $30k, especially because I think Auburn is winning the game anyway, so might as well go with them winning by 1 or 2. If he thinks it's 7.5 times more likely Auburn wins by 1 or 2 than Oregon wins at all (which I think is probably the case) he should bet spread.

I think my math's right, someone can double check if they wish.
This post was edited on 12/9/10 at 3:37 pm
Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
Member since Dec 2004
31010 posts
Posted on 12/9/10 at 3:43 pm to
90+% of guys that buy $300/$500/1K/2K futures on any team in any league, are wiseguys/sharps and/or whales..

They are dime to multi-dime to 5K, 10K, and on up bettors, and though he may certainly hedge some..

It will assuredly not be an 'absolute greenhorn' and/or 'broke-dick' scaredy-cat angle of slicing his payday right down the middle..

Because a timid guy like that, doesn't go around buying 100/1 futures for the limits in the first place..not even a complete card-carrying Aubie or Quack Attack homer with season tix and travels to the roadies!
This post was edited on 12/9/10 at 3:45 pm
Posted by donalc1
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2010
2 posts
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:38 pm to
I own $50 of the ticket. It is an uneven split between myself and my buddy.

Last summer, He was in Vegas playing poker and started shopping the best line for Auburn to win the NC. We had no inside sources, he is not Charles Barkley, etc... Just taking a shot on our team. I'm a 2 dollar player, he plays dimes.

The Hilton was the only place to give us 100-1, most others had 75-1. We tried to bet a dime, which had to be passed by the sportsbook manager. He declined and they would only let us take $300. So, we had 12-1 to win SEC and 100-1 to win BCS.

Last weekend was when we would have done a heavy hedge (south carolina money line was nice). Instead, we let it roll. Now, we are going to let most of it ride in the NC game. Maybe a few dimes on Oregon with a chance to middle. Or the money line if Auburn is favored by enough to push it up. Not sure yet. Since I only have $5K at risk. I highly doubt that I'll hedge more than $1K.

We are both Auburn Alum and are going to the game. Then, to Vegas the day after if we win. This ticket will at least pay for some of our trips. I've attended Clemson, LSU, Iron Bowl, SEC Champ and now Glendale. I'm easily $10K into tickets and hotels.

War Damn Eagle.

BTW, they did a special on this on the local Birmingham news.

AuburnDon

Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
Member since Dec 2004
31010 posts
Posted on 12/10/10 at 2:43 pm to
Great story, I'm pulling for ya'll and the SEC to continue the streak, despite my feelings over CamGate. WDE!

I highly suspected a 'dimer' in relation to that ticket. And even though he cut ya'll off at $300, Jay Kornegay is a much more accomodating Hilton SB Mgr than was Manteris.

As for your portion of the wager/payout, I'd let it ride.
Posted by emoney
Westerville, OH
Member since May 2010
8736 posts
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:52 pm to
Who wants to be my bookie?

I'm currently batting 53.8% ATS but I don't understand all the betting stuff.
Posted by JG77056
Vegas baby, Vegas
Member since Sep 2010
12073 posts
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:01 pm to
quote:

Now, we are going to let most of it ride in the NC game. Maybe a few dimes on Oregon with a chance to middle. Or the money line if Auburn is favored by enough to push it up. Not sure yet. Since I only have $5K at risk. I highly doubt that I'll hedge more than $1K.


Congrats on your good fortune. Whatever you decide to do hedge-wise, I'd wait as long as possible because I don't see the line moving towards Oregon.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
82006 posts
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:14 pm to
quote:

donalc1
Wow, congrats man! If you do decide to hedge, I'd wait as long as possible because the public is a heavy lean to Auburn which would mean a greater spread/money line closer to the game. I'm sure you already know that, so good luck on whatever you decide to do!
Posted by JG77056
Vegas baby, Vegas
Member since Sep 2010
12073 posts
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:16 pm to
too slow
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
82006 posts
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

too slow





I guess I should have read to the end of the thread
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
44464 posts
Posted on 12/10/10 at 7:30 pm to
congrats
Posted by donalc1
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2010
2 posts
Posted on 12/10/10 at 8:20 pm to
Thanks. it has been a miracle season. I don't think it has sunk in that we are going to Glendale in 31 days to play for the National Title. Not the norm for us Aubies. Especially living in a state where Saban is a god and the University of Alabama may as well be his church.

After being snubbed in 2004, we thought our chances may be over for quite a while.

I'm hoping for a blowout, but I'm sure it will be a good game. Oregon has not seen anyone like Fairly or Cam and I don't think we've seen anything like Oregon. Perfect matchup.
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