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re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez?
Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:18 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:18 pm to Chad504boy
gonzales. hes only behind rice in receptions...
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Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:21 pm to RonBurgundy
Since no one can possibly be better at their position than tony g, it's either a tie or its tony.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:27 pm to Lester Earl
quote:how i feel, verbatim
As far as Lewis, I think he got a lot of pub because he always called attention to himself. I think he was great, but only truly elite for a few years. Back around when they won the Super Bowl. It seemed for like a short stretch he did made every play on that defense. Forcing fumbles, intercepting balls, etc. He always got a lot of kudos whether he was playing good or not, because of the way he played during that stretch, and because of the way Balt's D led them to the win in that SB. Won't get into the fact that he always had great players playing next to him. But he always got the credit even when he was too slow to make plays late in his career
Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:34 pm to baytiger
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Lewis is lucky to be in the top 10.
Let the butthurt flow through you..
13× Pro Bowl (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011)
7× AP first-team All-Pro (1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2008, 2009)
3× AP second-team All-Pro (1997, 1998, 2010)
Super Bowl champion (XXXV)
2× AFC champion (2000, 2012)
Super Bowl XXXV MVP
2× AP NFL Defensive Player of Year (2000, 2003)
3× AFC Defensive Player Of The Year (2000, 2001, 2003)
2× NFL Alumni Linebacker Of The Year (1999, 2003)
2× All-American (1994, 1995)
Record 13 Pro Bowls for an Inside/Middle Linebacker[1]
Record 10 All-Pro selections for Inside/Middle Linebacker
Record 10 All-Pro selections for a Linebacker (tied with Lawrence Taylor)
Most Games Started at Inside/Middle Linebacker (227)[2]
Most Interception Return Yards for an Inside/Middle Linebacker (503)[3]
Most seasons played at Inside/Middle Linebacker (17) [4]
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
20 sack/20 interception Club- Quickest to reach (113 games)
30 sack/30 Interception Club- Quickest to reach (204 games)
40 sack/30 Interception Club- Only Member
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Tackles 2,050
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But he always got the credit even when he was too slow to make plays late in his career
So only averaged about 130 per season..
This post was edited on 1/21/13 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 1/21/13 at 5:02 pm to Chad504boy
Randy Moss = Tony Gonzalez
Posted on 1/21/13 at 5:25 pm to Baloo
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I think both are in the top 3 of their position all time.
WOW. I LOVE the way Lewis is a leaders and as tough as nails. BUT I have Butkus,Lambert,Singtary,And even Harry Carson over RAY.
As far as GONZO.. Winslow is the BEST EVER without question. I think Shannon Sharpe was a better TE.AGAIN the game has changed and TEs are more involved now. I think Mark Bravaro is a WAY more COMPLETE TE than Gonzo.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 5:26 pm to dukke v
Posted on 1/21/13 at 5:27 pm to dukke v
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As far as GONZO.. Winslow is the BEST EVER without question. I think Shannon Sharpe was a better TE.AGAIN the game has changed and TEs are more involved now. I think Mark Bravaro is a WAY more COMPLETE TE than Gonzo.
solid post would read again
Posted on 1/21/13 at 5:38 pm to RonBurgundy
I'd prefer to have Ray Lewis on my team than Tony Gonzales if I had to pick one out of a draft in their rookie seasons.
Ray Lewis was also a better overall football player than Gonzales.
But since you worded the question the way you did, I guess I'll go with Gonzales as a better player at his position.
But that's because of a lack of competition for GOAT at the TE position.
MLBs are stacked historically.
Ray Lewis was also a better overall football player than Gonzales.
But since you worded the question the way you did, I guess I'll go with Gonzales as a better player at his position.
But that's because of a lack of competition for GOAT at the TE position.
MLBs are stacked historically.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 5:39 pm to dukke v
Jesus PJ
Posted on 1/21/13 at 5:41 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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But since you worded the question the way you did, I guess I'll go with Gonzales as a better player at his position.
But that's because of a lack of competition for GOAT at the TE position.
MLBs are stacked historically.
It's like comparing a shortstop to a CF. Cal Ripken was a greater player at his position than Joe Dimaggio was but Dimaggio was a far better player. There are far more elite players at MLB than there have been at TE.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 5:41 pm to RonBurgundy
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solid post would read again
Tell me where I am wrong?????????/
Posted on 1/21/13 at 5:47 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Ray Lewis was also a better overall football player than Gonzales.
What part of Tony's game was lacking?
Posted on 1/21/13 at 5:52 pm to Lester Earl
I have no clue why you are laughing??? Oh YEAH. You know NOTHING about the HISTORY Of the NFL.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 5:54 pm to Powerman
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What part of Tony's game was lacking?
Nothing really.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 5:54 pm to dukke v
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I have no clue why you are laughing??? Oh YEAH. You know NOTHING about the HISTORY Of the NFL.
It's ridiculous to rank Harry Carson over Ray Lewis. That's like saying Terrell Suggs is a better pass-rushing OLB than Lawrence Taylor.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 6:18 pm to dukke v
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Oh YEAH. You know NOTHING about the HISTORY Of the NFL.
OH yeah?? You really want to go there???
Posted on 1/21/13 at 6:21 pm to Lester Earl
Tony Gonzalez is the best tight end in NFL history. I can't believe this is what my first post is on.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 6:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you mean right now or over their careers?
right now: gonzo
career: lewis (not close)
You're telling me Ray Lewis's career at LB is better than Tony Gonzalez's career at TE? And that it's not close?! You're out of your damn mind. Not only is Tony Gonzalez the best TE in history in every statistical category, he has the second most receptions in NFL history among all players (behind Jerry Rice), the 7th most receiving yards among all players, and the 6th most receiving TDs among all players.
Ray Lewis is an all-time great linebacker. There's no denying that. But Tony Gonzalez is far and away the best tight end in NFL history.
ETA: By the way, great question OP. Both players are all-time greats.
This post was edited on 1/21/13 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 1/21/13 at 6:47 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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ETA: By the way, great question OP. Both players are all-time greats.
it's what I do
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