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re: Garcia now wants to start for Oakland
Posted on 5/17/09 at 1:52 am to lsu xman
Posted on 5/17/09 at 1:52 am to lsu xman
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Unless JR progresses enough this season Garcia will take over and JR's next contract will be as a back-up.
Pretty dumb statement IMO.
And its not accurate? You think just cause JR has 3 more years on his contract they are guaranteed? You obviously dont know much about football do you? If JR were to lose the starting job this year I can pretty much promise you they will cut him in offseason and draft his replacement. Its the way of the NFL, he will have been on team 3 years which is minimum.
As far as the statement is concerned you have nothing to back up anything you say other than an opinion which is wrong. I mean you wanted to call me out on the other thread but you cant even find anything to back up what you said. Stupidity is not an excuse for you its a condition I believe.
Obviously your opinion is not worth much since you don't know much about how the NFL works.
This post was edited on 5/17/09 at 1:56 am
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Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:00 am to shel311
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There is ZERO doubt in my mind that JR has gotten the shortest leash I've EVER seen for a QB.
He got to sit out the majority of his 1st year and watch. That matters and is supposed to help. JR had bust written all over himself from day 1. I've never heard more excuses made for a player than I have for JR on this website.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:02 am to tduecen
has VY been cut yet? threw 9td/17int his 2nd yr. hardly played his 3rd year. he lost his starting job.
Sure you know exactly how the NFL works..
I guess Matt Leinart is about to get cut too. Hes on his 4th yr and is not the starter.
Sure you know exactly how the NFL works..
I guess Matt Leinart is about to get cut too. Hes on his 4th yr and is not the starter.
This post was edited on 5/17/09 at 2:05 am
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:02 am to LuckyLee
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never heard more excuses made for a player than I have for JR on this website.
The website is the key, JR has been given 3 years just like pretty much every other QB who comes into the league. Its very rare they have a chance to sit 2/3 years. Most of time they are starting midway through their rookie year.
Something all rookie QB's go through JR is no different.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:04 am to tduecen
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Unless JR progresses enough this season Garcia will take over and JR's next contract will be as a back-up.
Yea, I dont think whether or not Garcia takes over for Russell this year will really automatically mean JR's next contract will be as a backup. That's a bit of a reach to assume.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:05 am to lsu xman
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has VY been cut yet? threw 9td/17int his 2nd yr. hardly played his 3rd year. he lost his starting job.
Sure you know exactly how the NFL works..
IS VY starting? He lost his job last year and does not have it back yet does he?
He is also in a different situation as he is playing for Fisher a coach who sat Steve McNair for a few seasons before actually letting him play now.
come on at least think before you write something. That basis for argument was easy to shoot down.Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:06 am to shel311
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Unless JR progresses enough this season Garcia will take over and JR's next contract will be as a back-up.
Yea, I dont think whether or not Garcia takes over for Russell this year will really automatically mean JR's next contract will be as a backup. That's a bit of a reach to assume.
Like I said, if Garcia wins the starting job, JR will probably get cut from the Raiders as they will draft his replacement. Therefore his next contract will be for back-up pay, not starting. He will be given opportunity to win but no promises will be made.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:09 am to tduecen
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Like I said, if Garcia wins the starting job, JR will probably get cut from the Raiders as they will draft his replacement
If he steps in at some point, that doesn't mean that Garcia will be the week 1 starter the following year.
Don't forget Garcia is like 40 years old or something.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:12 am to tduecen
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JR will probably get cut from the Raiders as they will draft his replacement.
Or they could realize Garcia is 40 and JR is 23(24?) and that maybe it be smart to keep him around for the rest of his contract.
You would still eat of the guaranteed money anyway so cutting him doesn't help unless you think you can compete within a year or two.
The amount of dumbfrickery about JR from both sides of this is stupid.
GARCIA IS GONNA RUIN JR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JR IS GOD!!!!!!!!!
Get over it everyone.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:13 am to tduecen
6 years, over/under on how long until JR claims bankruptcy.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:13 am to shel311
But Garcia signed a multi-year deal, I think if Garcia takes over starting duties from JR this year for any reason other than injury they will draft a QB in next years draft to groom.
JR would follow the path of some of other young QB's, fair or not thats the way it happens in the NFL. Could Raiders keep him? Yeah their is a possibility but seeing how Garcia while not flashy continues to win at his age I could see him playing this year and next at a high level.
Either way unless JR steps up his game this year its his make or break season. Fair or not
JR would follow the path of some of other young QB's, fair or not thats the way it happens in the NFL. Could Raiders keep him? Yeah their is a possibility but seeing how Garcia while not flashy continues to win at his age I could see him playing this year and next at a high level.
Either way unless JR steps up his game this year its his make or break season. Fair or not
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:17 am to LSUtigahs28
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JR will probably get cut from the Raiders as they will draft his replacement.
Or they could realize Garcia is 40 and JR is 23(24?) and that maybe it be smart to keep him around for the rest of his contract.
You would still eat of the guaranteed money anyway so cutting him doesn't help unless you think you can compete within a year or two.
The amount of dumbfrickery about JR from both sides of this is stupid.
GARCIA IS GONNA RUIN JR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JR IS GOD!!!!!!!!!
Get over it everyone.
Who said anything about Garcia going to ruin him. My original statement says "if JR does not progress". Obviously people are picking and choosing what they want to argue instead of reading whole thing.
This post was edited on 5/17/09 at 2:25 am
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:17 am to tduecen
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But Garcia signed a multi-year deal, I think if Garcia takes over starting duties from JR this year for any reason other than injury they will draft a QB in next years draft to groom.
Well, if you turn out to be right, that is pretty ridiculous.
If a QB can't get 3 or 4 years AND have a solid offense around him, then I don't know how a team can make the assessment that he is just not the guy.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:18 am to tduecen
Just a simple yes or no, do you think JR will lose his starting job(not due to an injury)?
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:21 am to shel311
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If a QB can't get 3 or 4 years
He's going on year 3. Why do you think his 1st year shouldn't count?
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have a solid offense around him
Why? The #1 draft pick is supposed to make your offense better. JR hasn't done that yet.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:22 am to lsu xman
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Just a simple yes or no, do you think JR will lose his starting job(not due to an injury)?
yes
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:23 am to lsu xman
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Just a simple yes or no, do you think JR will lose his starting job(not due to an injury)?
Depends on JR really it does, if he uses Garcia there as a motivation factor and sits extra after practice to work on things with receivers then no he wont lose it.
If he believes his god given ability is enough to survive in NFL then yes he will.
As I have stated numerous times through out ever JR vs Flynn thread and other threads JR is one of most talented individuals.
He has to eliminate his bad games and mistakes including fumbles. Which he did 12 times last year and lost 7. He needs to get rid of ball and the offensive line needs to give him a couple extra seconds.
There are many things that factor into a young QB's development. But the QB has to do those other things to help himself also.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:23 am to tduecen
The guy has started a grand total of 16 games in the NFL. It is a little early to be calling this his last shot
Besides, JaMarcus played MUCH better toward the end of last year, especially after missing that game against Carolina when he injured his knee. Over that last 7 games, he completed 62% of his passes with an almost 2:1 TD to INT ratio
And over the last 3 games, JaMarcus completed 65% of his passes and had a 3:1 TD to INT Ratio.
He obviously is performing better the more playing time he gets
Besides, JaMarcus played MUCH better toward the end of last year, especially after missing that game against Carolina when he injured his knee. Over that last 7 games, he completed 62% of his passes with an almost 2:1 TD to INT ratio
And over the last 3 games, JaMarcus completed 65% of his passes and had a 3:1 TD to INT Ratio.
He obviously is performing better the more playing time he gets
This post was edited on 5/17/09 at 2:25 am
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:24 am to LuckyLee
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He's going on year 3. Why do you think his 1st year shouldn't count?
I meant 3 or 4 years of starting.
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Why? The #1 draft pick is supposed to make your offense better. JR hasn't done that yet.
So, you think you can accurately assess a young QB when he has what is widely regarded by most as the worst WR corps in the NFL???
If so, you're pretty good.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:24 am to shel311
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But Garcia signed a multi-year deal, I think if Garcia takes over starting duties from JR this year for any reason other than injury they will draft a QB in next years draft to groom.
Well, if you turn out to be right, that is pretty ridiculous.
If a QB can't get 3 or 4 years AND have a solid offense around him, then I don't know how a team can make the assessment that he is just not the guy.
tell that to akili smith, ryan leaf, cade mcnown, joey harrington, among many many others that went through exactly what JR is.
They were drafted to bad teams with bad management.
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