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re: Game 4: Heat vs Spurs - Discussion/Prediction Thread
Posted on 6/12/13 at 11:40 am to shel311
Posted on 6/12/13 at 11:40 am to shel311
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not at all.
Twice now you aren't even trying to debate the points and are throwing shots out there because you don't know how to debate rationally.
You're right. A quick look at your last 20 posts shows you providing really valuable insight. Thanks, I'll follow your lead from now on.
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 11:45 am to shel311
There's an intrinsic reason why the Heat have not only won every game following a loss, but done so by double digits. They are a very reactionary team as far as their motivation. I'd say Spo takes alot of the blame for this (i.e. not getting consistent motivation), or at least he is not a great motivator like Phil Jackson was when he had this level of talent.
That being said, the Heat will win tomorrow, probably big, and the series will go 7.
That being said, the Heat will win tomorrow, probably big, and the series will go 7.
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/12/13 at 11:47 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Heat Big 3 through 3 games: 130 points
Spurs Big 3 through 3 games: 130 points
And by Spurs Big 3, I mean Leonard/Green/Neal.
Wait, what?
Spurs Big 3 through 3 games: 130 points
And by Spurs Big 3, I mean Leonard/Green/Neal.
Wait, what?
Posted on 6/12/13 at 11:47 am to Hat Tricks
You're not arguing any points. You're just taking my points and complaining that I'm discrediting the team who's up 2-1 or bitching about LeBron or something. It's childish.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 11:52 am to TotesMcGotes
quote:I tried, man.
You're not arguing any points. You're just taking my points and complaining that I'm discrediting the team who's up 2-1 or bitching about LeBron or something. It's childish.
It not getting through
Posted on 6/12/13 at 11:54 am to TotesMcGotes
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You're not arguing any points. You're just taking my points and complaining that I'm discrediting the team who's up 2-1 or bitching about LeBron or something. It's childish.
What points are we actually arguing? You don't see how the Spurs being undefeated in the Finals matters. I said it matters because for 3 of those 4 championships it is the same 3 key players and coach. I think that experience and history of excellence matters. You don't. We don't agree. There's nothing factual about either either side of the argument. We just have a difference of opinion. There's really nothing left to argue about it.
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 11:55 am
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:03 pm to Hat Tricks
Man, it is tough on the MSB right now. This whole board is going in circles.
IMO, if the Heat are going to win they need to get Bosh really going on both sides of the court. LeBron needs to play on near the rim both ways as well. Guarding Parker isn't the best matchup for him. He's too active on any given play off the ball that it can take James out of the play.
We'll see if Spo counters tomorrow. I think he's a good coach, I'd like to think he has another trick up his sleeve. I'd even consider bringing Wade off the bench to match-up with Manu, start Chalmers and Cole. Obviously Wade would still play 30 mins.
Also, if Chris Anderson isn't protecting the rim, he shouldn't be playing.
IMO, if the Heat are going to win they need to get Bosh really going on both sides of the court. LeBron needs to play on near the rim both ways as well. Guarding Parker isn't the best matchup for him. He's too active on any given play off the ball that it can take James out of the play.
We'll see if Spo counters tomorrow. I think he's a good coach, I'd like to think he has another trick up his sleeve. I'd even consider bringing Wade off the bench to match-up with Manu, start Chalmers and Cole. Obviously Wade would still play 30 mins.
Also, if Chris Anderson isn't protecting the rim, he shouldn't be playing.
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:05 pm to Hat Tricks
As for the Spurs Big 3 not losing back to backs since December, you seem to be just nitpicking when you say it is misleading. When they Big 3 plays in consecutive games for SA, they haven't lost consecutive games since December. It's fact. It means exactly what it says, regardless of why (injuries, resting).
Why stop there? We can look at it for the last decade if you want and I am pretty sure it would show that those 3 and Coach Pop have a pretty good track record of responding to losses, no?
Why stop there? We can look at it for the last decade if you want and I am pretty sure it would show that those 3 and Coach Pop have a pretty good track record of responding to losses, no?
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:07 pm to RonBurgundy
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IMO, if the Heat are going to win they need to get Bosh really going on both sides of the court
I agree with that for sure and more specifically, he needs to get it going down low and quit jacking up shots from the perimeter.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:10 pm to Hat Tricks
quote:It can be fact and misleading fwiw.
As for the Spurs Big 3 not losing back to backs since December, you seem to be just nitpicking when you say it is misleading. When they Big 3 plays in consecutive games for SA, they haven't lost consecutive games since December. It's fact. It means exactly what it says, regardless of why (injuries, resting).
I don't know the numbers so i can't say either way, but it certainly can be both.
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:11 pm to Hat Tricks
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I agree with that for sure and more specifically, he needs to get it going down low and quit jacking up shots from the perimeter.
If you going to put him down low, than the NBA's most effective left block scorer is crowded in there. So either a) put LeBron at the high post-which is a little drastic or b) bring Bosh into just under the top of the key as he is one of the best mid-range shooters in the game. If he takes a 3 it better be from the corner, nothing else.
Both of them need to shut off the basket. Three point shooting comes and goes.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:16 pm to Hat Tricks
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As for the Spurs Big 3 not losing back to backs since December, you seem to be just nitpicking when you say it is misleading. When they Big 3 plays in consecutive games for SA, they haven't lost consecutive games since December. It's fact. It means exactly what it says, regardless of why (injuries, resting).
I acknowledged this to be true already.
It basically boils down to sample sizes. The Heat have a large sample size compared to the Spurs.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:18 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
I'm really discouraged tbh
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:18 pm to WITNESS23
quote:you should be
I'm really discouraged tbh
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:20 pm to WITNESS23
quote:I think there is cause for concern, but not close to panic time yet.
I'm really discouraged tbh
Gimme another Lebron/Wade/Bosh game 3 type performance in game 4, and you can hit that panic button as hard as you can.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:24 pm to Fearthehat0307
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Fearthehat0307
Thanks
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:25 pm to shel311
I just don't see Lebron turning it on. Maybe it's bc I'm really pissed at him but idk 
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:53 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Spurs in a tight one.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:58 pm to BananaHammock
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BananaHammock
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Spurs in a tight one.
You're a kinky mother f*cker
Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:13 pm to WITNESS23
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Maybe it's bc I'm really pissed at him but idk
How can you be really pissed at him? Either you appreciate his game or you don't. Since you're not a Heat lifer, you shouldn't be pissed. Winning an NBA Finals game is hard. Going back to back is extremely difficult. I think the passive angle is being a little overblown. He might not be averaging a ton of points, but since when does that equal passive? From what I have seen he's been playing well even with his third quarter starting like shite, he was still fighting. After that, the writing was on the wall and the Heat retreated for the night, just like the Spurs did in game 2.
If you are pissed at him, then you identify yourself too much as a LeBron fan. He's one of the best ever, regardless if he ever wins another one. By displaying this sort of behavior, you fall right into the trap of being called a weak minded fair weather fan. I can't believe I have to defend LBJ to you.
I am not LeBron fan as in "I hope he wins everything all the times so I can say I've been with him the whole time."
That's what kids do. I did that with Jordan, but even as a kid I never wavered after one game.
This is a team sport, if LeBron's team is going to win they need to apply their best plan (get LeBron on the block, not the drive were 4 defenders collapse) and commit to it. That's the best way he can score, by playing like the big man he is and will be. The dribble drive iso make for great highlights, but give me the LeBron that scores at a 73% clip from the left block over that. If the double comes, he can use the extraordinary court vision of his. As a big man set hard screens for your guards and roll hard to the basket. Be the finisher in transition, not the starter, because no can stop him at the goal.
As a team, when the Heat start missing shots and the plays are breaking down, they revert to LeBron bringing the ball up and trying to do it all.That plays right into the Spurs hands. This is not how they won last year. Believe in the system that got you there.
FTR, I'm really not pulling for anyone.Although imo, it'd be more fascinating for the Spurs to win their 5th title since 99.
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